Uninsured 17yo dies of C-19 denied treatment in California

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28 Mar 2020, 2:35 pm

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So far, EzraS is spot-on -- everything he has posted is correct.

The 17-year old went to the wrong place. He should have gone straight to the emergency room by ambulance. He wasted precious time and it cost him his life. There is no else one to blame.

The Media (and a few foreign Socialists) are making a big issue out of one small detail, and further distorting it to make the medical system look more greedy than it actually is.

The man screwed up, and now he's dead. That's all there is to it.



Here’s the Mayor of his city in a video clarification saying otherwise:

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/lancas ... -covid-19/

He was denied medical treatment/turned away for not having insurance at a critical moment in his ailment that could have been life saving for him. We’ll never know if the outcome would have been different had he been given treatment in that moment, but we do know that he sought medical attention and was turned away for lack of insurance and later died as a result.


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28 Mar 2020, 10:09 pm

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Ezra, dude.. no tourist is googling the definition of “Urgent Care Clinic,” when they’re sick or injured and in immediate need of actual urgent medical attention. If they see a sign that says “Urgent Care Clinic,” they’re going to assume they can get urgent medical care there - and for good reason; that’s what the sign says! All I’m saying is that the name is stupid and misleading and shouldn’t be so. As KK called it, it’s a misnomer.


The explanation of what urgent care provides, which you must not have read, makes it clear that they can get urgent medical care there.



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28 Mar 2020, 10:20 pm

Fnord wrote:
So far, EzraS is spot-on -- everything he has posted is correct.

The 17-year old went to the wrong place. He should have gone straight to the emergency room by ambulance. He wasted precious time and it cost him his life. There is no else one to blame.

The Media (and a few foreign Socialists) are making a big issue out of one small detail, and further distorting it to make the medical system look more greedy than it actually is.

The man screwed up, and now he's dead. That's all there is to it.


Well he wasn't a man, he was a 17 year old boy. There are many unanswered questions about this. Such as were were his parents?

The way it seems to play out, based on limited information, is that he went to the clinic, was then transported to a hospital and died a few hours later.

There is no logic in assuming that he would have lived if he had stayed in the clinic, instead of being in a hospital.



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28 Mar 2020, 11:02 pm

EzraS wrote:
Fnord wrote:
So far, EzraS is spot-on -- everything he has posted is correct.

The 17-year old went to the wrong place. He should have gone straight to the emergency room by ambulance. He wasted precious time and it cost him his life. There is no else one to blame.

The Media (and a few foreign Socialists) are making a big issue out of one small detail, and further distorting it to make the medical system look more greedy than it actually is.

The man screwed up, and now he's dead. That's all there is to it.


Well he wasn't a man, he was a 17 year old boy. There are many unanswered questions about this. Such as were were his parents?

The way it seems to play out, based on limited information, is that he went to the clinic, was then transported to a hospital and died a few hours later.

There is no logic in assuming that he would have lived if he had stayed in the clinic, instead of being in a hospital.


Except that as with many urgent medical concerns, time was of the essence and had he received treatment the moment he sought it vs being turned away he may have survived. How is that not logical to you?


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28 Mar 2020, 11:10 pm

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EzraS wrote:
Fnord wrote:
So far, EzraS is spot-on -- everything he has posted is correct.

The 17-year old went to the wrong place. He should have gone straight to the emergency room by ambulance. He wasted precious time and it cost him his life. There is no else one to blame.

The Media (and a few foreign Socialists) are making a big issue out of one small detail, and further distorting it to make the medical system look more greedy than it actually is.

The man screwed up, and now he's dead. That's all there is to it.


Well he wasn't a man, he was a 17 year old boy. There are many unanswered questions about this. Such as were were his parents?

The way it seems to play out, based on limited information, is that he went to the clinic, was then transported to a hospital and died a few hours later.

There is no logic in assuming that he would have lived if he had stayed in the clinic, instead of being in a hospital.


Except that as with many urgent medical concerns, time was of the essence and had he received treatment the moment he sought it vs being turned away he may have survived. How is that not logical to you?


If he had stayed in the clinic, he still would have gone into cardiac arrest, he would have been revived, and then he would have died a few hours later, just like what happened in the ambulance and hospital.



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28 Mar 2020, 11:18 pm

Maybe, maybe not. We’ll never know if earlier medical intervention and treatment could have saved his life. But it MAY have. That’s the point of pointing out that he was denied treatment for lack of ability to pay and how fuct that is.

Here, everyone gets treated & then if they’re uninsured they get billed later. Uninsured usually = foreigner. Sometimes they pay the bill, often times they go back home and never pay. Our province is owed a lot of money from foreigners who skip out on medical bills. It is a financial and medical resource problem, BUT, we still don’t turn people away and not treat them for accounting reasons. We do what’s right and save them anyways.


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28 Mar 2020, 11:22 pm

Now we are back to this being about you complaining about how much the American healthcare system sucks. But since you don't have to deal with it and there is nothing you can do about it, it doesn't really matter how much you don't like it.



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29 Mar 2020, 12:05 am

Fnord wrote:
The Media (and a few foreign Socialists) are making a big issue out of one small detail, and further distorting it to make the medical system look more greedy than it actually is.
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In other words,
Same old, same old media bulldust.

Do people still unthinkingly goebbel, errr, I mean gobble up their crap these days?
If so, I think they need to wake up to themselves. :wink:



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29 Mar 2020, 12:09 am

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Now we are back to this being about you complaining about how much the American healthcare system sucks. But since you don't have to deal with it and there is nothing you can do about it, it doesn't really matter how much you don't like it.


It doesn't matter what I think about the American health system either.
But that doesn't change the *fact* that you guys don't have "bulk billing", and we do.
Ergo, compared to Australia and Canada, your system is doo doo. 8O :wink:



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29 Mar 2020, 12:28 am

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EzraS wrote:
Now we are back to this being about you complaining about how much the American healthcare system sucks. But since you don't have to deal with it and there is nothing you can do about it, it doesn't really matter how much you don't like it.


It doesn't matter what I think about the American health system either.
But that doesn't change the *fact* that you guys don't have "bulk billing", and we do.
Ergo, compared to Australia and Canada, your system is doo doo. 8O :wink:


So I have read from Australians and Canadians about a million times.



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29 Mar 2020, 1:20 am

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Now we are back to this being about you complaining about how much the American healthcare system sucks. But since you don't have to deal with it and there is nothing you can do about it, it doesn't really matter how much you don't like it.


You think you a**holes are going to keep your Coronavirus party to yourselves?

No.

It will keep crossing the Canadian border and impacting us.

So, yeah, we do have to deal with the effects of your sh***y government response to C-19 and your sh***y healthcare system.


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29 Mar 2020, 1:24 am

You are so goofy it's hilarious, when it's not annoying.



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29 Mar 2020, 1:31 am

I’m not in the country with the fastest increase in infection rates and the #1 pick for most likely to have the highest C-19 death toll by a country mile. (Unless perhaps it totally decimates some African country or India later on.)


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29 Mar 2020, 1:48 am

But you are still goofy.

America has the highest number of cases and the lowest number of deaths out of the top five, because America is the most proactive at testing.

The reason why your country has so few cases is because even though it is close to the same size as America, it only has about 1/10th of America's population, because most of its climate is about as hospitable as Siberia.

Of course Canada's sparse population isn't helped by the fact that 45,000 Canadians immigrate to America each year.

Like I said a few years ago regarding the few Canadians and Australians on WP who are obsessed with and constantly carp about America, it comes off as being like a geographic version of penis envy.



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29 Mar 2020, 3:52 am

:lol: Proactive at testing? :lol: That’s rich. Who told you that? trump? It certainly wasn’t Fauci - he speaks the truth. USA declined the WHO test and thus was weeks behind in starting testing, and like here, testing remains limited.

Our population still lives in close proximity in large cities. We have fewer cases per capita in large part because we have relatively good leadership that’s been truthful about the pandemic situation and instructed people what to do about it. This is in stark contrast to American “leadership,” lying to its citizens and calling the virus a politically motivated hoax that was nothing to worry about. COVIDIOTS believed that nonsense and spread the virus like wildfire - just like they continue to do in the 30 states doing exactly nothing to slow the spread still. If spread were simply a function of population China would have far more cases right now.

You think that we envy America? False. We pity Americans for they’ve been conned into believing their position in the world is envious.


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29 Mar 2020, 4:24 am

I read about aggressive testing especially in New York from knowledgeable members.

You claim Americans did not take it seriously and yet most everyone has self isolated for weeks as evidenced by drone footage of empty streets throughout America. Considering the huge number of Canadians who live here, they obviously don't share your apparent pathological hatred towards us.

Mainly I think you're a tad bonkers. I'm waiting for you to diagnose yourself with the virus and then invent a cure for yourself.