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15 Apr 2020, 3:43 am

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^ Agreed: they were all caught napping, and are now starting to squabble like toddlers over who’s fault this was.


I wasn't squabbling.
As always, I had cogent arguments. 8)


I meant our many and varied politicians, assorted international institution heads and media presenters in general. :wink:


As you would know, by now, I am god darn brilliant.
Believe me when I say it is rather clear cut.

I'd rather not say more until we hear from the squirrel in army gear. :wink:
It is a squirrel, right? 8O



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15 Apr 2020, 4:01 am

Pepe wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
^ Agreed: they were all caught napping, and are now starting to squabble like toddlers over who’s fault this was.


I wasn't squabbling.
As always, I had cogent arguments. 8)


I meant our many and varied politicians, assorted international institution heads and media presenters in general. :wink:


As you would know, by now, I am god darn brilliant.
Believe me when I say it is rather clear cut.

I'd rather not say more until we hear from the squirrel in army gear. :wink:
It is a squirrel, right? 8O


I’ve assumed so, but just zoomed in on the pic: might be a rabbit!

He’s spoken on the page before this one :D



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15 Apr 2020, 4:16 am

Wet markets per se aren't the problem. It's what people sell in them.


https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/14/asia ... index.html


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15 Apr 2020, 4:19 am

Karamazov wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
^ Agreed: they were all caught napping, and are now starting to squabble like toddlers over who’s fault this was.


I wasn't squabbling.
As always, I had cogent arguments. 8)


I meant our many and varied politicians, assorted international institution heads and media presenters in general. :wink:


As you would know, by now, I am god darn brilliant.
Believe me when I say it is rather clear cut.

I'd rather not say more until we hear from the squirrel in army gear. :wink:
It is a squirrel, right? 8O


I’ve assumed so, but just zoomed in on the pic: might be a rabbit!

He’s spoken on the page before this one :D



Definitely a squirrel. I'm not all that nuts about rabbits really.


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15 Apr 2020, 4:34 am

envirozentinel wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
^ Agreed: they were all caught napping, and are now starting to squabble like toddlers over who’s fault this was.


I wasn't squabbling.
As always, I had cogent arguments. 8)


I meant our many and varied politicians, assorted international institution heads and media presenters in general. :wink:


As you would know, by now, I am god darn brilliant.
Believe me when I say it is rather clear cut.

I'd rather not say more until we hear from the squirrel in army gear. :wink:
It is a squirrel, right? 8O


I’ve assumed so, but just zoomed in on the pic: might be a rabbit!

He’s spoken on the page before this one :D



Definitely a squirrel. I'm not all that nuts about rabbits really.


Image

Did someone do a pun?



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15 Apr 2020, 4:39 am

Adorable... :heart:


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15 Apr 2020, 4:51 am

^ Yes, lucky to find a photo with a pose that fit just right for the flow of conversation.
Last I read they’ve been expanding their numbers for the first time in decades. :D

[return to topic]
Just thought I’d throw this link in here. :D

January 2020 US-WHO balance of accounts



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15 Apr 2020, 4:59 am

Working their nuts, are they?

(now we'd better attempt to get back on topic... while the humans are home on lockdown the squirrels will play).


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15 Apr 2020, 5:36 am

envirozentinel wrote:
Wet markets per se aren't the problem. It's what people sell in them.


https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/14/asia ... index.html


Good point.
And yes I have heard it said elsewhere.

However, :mrgreen:
The inconvenient truth is that this is not the first time china has caused an outbreak/pandemic, as a result of their "wet market".

china has a totalitarian government. You would think they would have the clout to impose the law.
Aren't they installing facial recognition cameras throughout their society?
All they need to do is add a digital image of a typical horseshoe bat or the pangolins. <joke>

Do they really have any excuse after this absolute health and economic disaster, this time?
Do you trust them not to let it happen again?

BTW,
We don't have curbside slaughter carts, right?
Slaughter is done lawfully, humanely and with proper health considerations, in civilised countries.
Lobsters are people, btw. :wink:

In 2005, protocols, as a result of the SARS breakout, were created to inform of similar events.
china deliberately covered up the Wuhan outbreak, and W.H.O was complicit in that coverup.

Got to go.
I need to source some N95 masks for the next pandemic, after this one, from china. :mrgreen:



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15 Apr 2020, 6:34 am

The dog images are the most disturbing to me and I have to scroll quickly past. If only they can outlaw all consumption of such throughout the country and as soon as possible.


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15 Apr 2020, 6:37 am

^ That would require them to have regulations to protect the people, rather than edicts to protect the party... 8O



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15 Apr 2020, 7:10 am

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/how-to-make-china-pay/

The World Health Organization (WHO) has only a weak, non-binding dispute-resolution mechanism, but China’s failure to promptly report the coronavirus outbreak to the organization violated the International Health Regulations, which require states to notify the WHO of potential public-health emergencies “of international concern.”



In fact, China has used its financial war chest to manipulate the WHO. China’s annual funding of the organization, which relies on voluntary donations, has increased to $86 million since 2014 (a rise of 52 percent). The WHO’s director general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, has praised China’s leadership for its “openness to share information” with the international community and stated that China “has bought the world time” regarding the coronavirus. In January, the WHO parroted China’s line that there was no “clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus.” The WHO has also followed the Chinese line on Taiwan, excluding it from membership and barring it from COVID-19 response meetings. While some scholars have suggested that a larger budget would make the WHO more effective, the Trump administration has rightly halved America’s contribution. Not only has the WHO become a Chinese client, but it also spends $200 million a year on luxury travel. The U.S. should investigate the WHO and its director general and expose their ties with China.

https://www.institutmontaigne.org/en/blog/fighting-coronavirus-pandemic-chinas-influence-world-health-organization

Because Ms. Margaret Chan, former director of health of the Hong Kong SAR and the first PRC national to run a UN agency (from 2006 to 2017), and because of the insistence by China’s public diplomacy on human welfare, it has often been said that WHO was directly under Chinese influence: this only shows in the success of China’s campaign to curtail participation of Taiwan. Ms. Chan’s two mandates were lackluster, marked by some polemics at the time of Ebola, by a strange episode of praise for North Korea’s health system, and by several stands against Taiwan for not “respecting” fully the “One China” principle. Ms. Chan’s election in 2006 was the last one to be run with WHO’s Executive Board’s pre-selection of a single candidate, the members of the organization were then asked to ratify this choice. By contrast, in 2017 the members of WHO chose along a panel of 3 pre-selected candidates, and Tedros came ahead with 133 votes out of 186 – a margin that even China’s influence cannot explain, but that has to do with his status as representing “the global South”.

Once affiliated with Ethiopia’s Liberation Front, Tedros has been educated in infectiology and malaria prevention. He has been a minister of foreign affairs and minister of health, and cuts a much more flamboyant figure than Ms. Chan. Indeed, he comes from a country and a continent that is easily critical of Western actors, yet he has gone down well with many private health donors. During the current crisis, he has defended his praise of Beijing by the need to obtain cooperation. Yet it took WHO a month and a half – between China’s first report to WHO of an “unknown illness” and February 13 – to send a full expert WHO mission on the ground in China, and with very limited access to Wuhan



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15 Apr 2020, 7:45 am

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NEWS FLASH!

Trump withholding funds to the World Health Organisation!
Hoowa! :rambo:


'quick, look over there!'



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15 Apr 2020, 1:35 pm

"China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!"

"Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days. Nothing is easy, but..."
"....he will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone. Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!"

Anyone want to guess who sent these three Tweets? It wasn't the head of the WHO.

More statements from Trump praising China's response at: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/25/poli ... index.html

Now of course he was wrong, but his attack on the WHO is a naked and frankly evil attempt to distract from his own failings. I have some sympathy for those failings. I have zero sympathy for his attack on the world's health.



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15 Apr 2020, 2:04 pm

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Now of course he was wrong, but his attack on the WHO is a naked and frankly evil attempt to distract from his own failings. I have some sympathy for those failings. I have zero sympathy for his attack on the world's health.

Indeed. Very evil and stupid. :|