Canada moving to ban all assault weapons
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You're all alone with your fixation. As previously stated, I do not agree.
Did you skip over reading this part?

“About 1.4 million people have died from firearms in the U.S. between 1968 and 2011. This number includes all deaths resulting from a firearm, including suicides, homicides, and accidents. Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the U.S. gun-related homicide rate is 25 times higher.”
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You're all alone with your fixation. As previously stated, I do not agree.
Did you skip over reading this part?

“About 1.4 million people have died from firearms in the U.S. between 1968 and 2011. This number includes all deaths resulting from a firearm, including suicides, homicides, and accidents. Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the U.S. gun-related homicide rate is 25 times higher.”
No I did not and I stand by what I've said.
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You're all alone with your fixation. As previously stated, I do not agree.
Did you skip over reading this part?

“About 1.4 million people have died from firearms in the U.S. between 1968 and 2011. This number includes all deaths resulting from a firearm, including suicides, homicides, and accidents. Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the U.S. gun-related homicide rate is 25 times higher.”
No I did not and I stand by what I've said.
Ok. You are wrong.

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What I think funeral is saying is: there is nothing inherently more violent about Americans that wouldn't happen to other nations were the laws to be different, ie, more guns being available.
I can see his point. It sort of reminds me of the classical psychology study in which they wanted to prove that Germans were inherently more easily led into the violence of the holocaust than other nationalities. Of course, what they found was almost anyone will do egregiously immoral things provided they have been told to do so by an authority.
The main problem with gun violence as I understand it, and I have read quite a bit about it, is that we don't know what would reduce gun violence. We can argue until we are blue in the face, but without scientific studies, we are banging around in the dark, so to speak.
That all said, I do think that Americans are tarnished by greed, as AB pointed out. We are very money-focused and frequently just want to know what is in it for ME. While there are some well-thought out libertarians, many I believe are focused on "me." And that may have more to do with it in the long run.
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You're all alone with your fixation. As previously stated, I do not agree.
Did you skip over reading this part?

“About 1.4 million people have died from firearms in the U.S. between 1968 and 2011. This number includes all deaths resulting from a firearm, including suicides, homicides, and accidents. Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the U.S. gun-related homicide rate is 25 times higher.”
No I did not and I stand by what I've said.
Ok. You are wrong.

You're entitled to believe whatever you like, but this is why people dismiss you as fixated and bigoted.
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If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X
Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.
goldfish21
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You're all alone with your fixation. As previously stated, I do not agree.
Did you skip over reading this part?

“About 1.4 million people have died from firearms in the U.S. between 1968 and 2011. This number includes all deaths resulting from a firearm, including suicides, homicides, and accidents. Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the U.S. gun-related homicide rate is 25 times higher.”
No I did not and I stand by what I've said.
Ok. You are wrong.

You're entitled to believe whatever you like, but this is why people dismiss you as fixated and bigoted.
The US’ gun-related homicide rate is 25 times higher than 22 other comparable nations. How does that not make them uniquely violent?

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Have you seen the rates at which they shoot each other compared to, say.. literally any other country on Earth?
There are only a few areas globally that can even hold a candle to the USA. Honduras, some African nations in decades long constant war - but besides war, America has gotta at least be in the top 3 countries for gun violence, if not top of the charts.
They’re pretty uniquely trigger happy.
I believe most gun deaths in America are suicides.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
20,000 of the 30,000 are suicides and make up less then half of the total us suicides.
The rest include gangs shooting other gangs, police legally shooting criminals, people legally defending themselves.
More people kill themself without guns then with guns.
and children and adolescents, with firearms being the second leading cause of death. (USA)
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I can see his point. It sort of reminds me of the classical psychology study in which they wanted to prove that Germans were inherently more easily led into the violence of the holocaust than other nationalities. Of course, what they found was almost anyone will do egregiously immoral things provided they have been told to do so by an authority.
The main problem with gun violence as I understand it, and I have read quite a bit about it, is that we don't know what would reduce gun violence. We can argue until we are blue in the face, but without scientific studies, we are banging around in the dark, so to speak.
That all said, I do think that Americans are tarnished by greed, as AB pointed out. We are very money-focused and frequently just want to know what is in it for ME. While there are some well-thought out libertarians, many I believe are focused on "me." And that may have more to do with it in the long run.
I’ve already acknowledged that there are many factors that have made them uniquely violent. But that does not change the simple fact that They Are uniquely violent.
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I wasn't disagreeing with you, goldfish. I think it depends on what you, editorially mean. I think you are correct that Americans are much more gun violent than other nations, especially if you take war out of the picture. At the same time, I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with Americans that makes them more violent, except access to guns.
It would be nice to see some actual discussion rather than debating. Just my preference.
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I can see his point. It sort of reminds me of the classical psychology study in which they wanted to prove that Germans were inherently more easily led into the violence of the holocaust than other nationalities. Of course, what they found was almost anyone will do egregiously immoral things provided they have been told to do so by an authority.
Yup.
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i distinctly remember reading, a few decades back, an article about psychologist stanley milgram's 60s "obedience to agents of authority" experiments he conducted in several nations in order to determine if some cultures were more violent than others, that that america and germany both had higher percentages of test subjects who took the test to the maximum [lethal] level, then the rest of the nations he tested. the figure for germany was 80%! but the martian ET visitor silently observing us doesn't need to know that, he or she can just look at our entertainments versus those of more enlightened countries, as well as various nations' movie rating systems, to know which are more violent cultures- american movies that got a R [adults must accompany children] rating [for violence] often got "X" [18+ or adults-only] type ratings in other nations or were banned.
^ That is the study I was referring to. But it did not show that one culture was more obedient than another. Unless there was another study???
https://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html
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The original studies were at Yale. Then he did some in some other cities, maybe New Haven. The main criticism of the study, as I understand it, was that the volunteers were self-selected.
I remember watching a film, probably in a college psychology class, that showed clips of how the "teacher" behaved. It was scary.
I think there are cultures and/or religions that tend to be less violent...but I am not sure it is by nationality.
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Well, okay, I suppose you could use a different adjective.. excessively violent? Exceptionally violent? Ridiculously? Absurdly? Obscenely? Doesn’t really matter which way you slice it; they are in fact uniquely violent with guns relative to most of the rest of the world.
It has been that way for a very long time and is part of our American culture. If you go back 150 years, there were gunfights outside of saloons in the Wild West. Often bystanders were the ones killed, not the ones shooting the guns. This was the case in a gunfight with Wild Bill Hickok in 1870. He shot a bystander to death in a gunfight and was run out of town. Unfortunately, these gunfights became romanticized in books and later movies.
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i think if somebody told me "you must obey..." i'd take part of the door with me running out of that place.
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