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01 Jun 2020, 10:09 pm

I'd argue if you're in the process of slamming your car into or through a crowd you've ceased to be an innocent person.


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01 Jun 2020, 11:30 pm

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I'd argue if you're in the process of slamming your car into or through a crowd you've ceased to be an innocent person.

I’d argue people should block thei freeways where they know cars are going 70+ mph and won’t be able to stop quickLy.

Do stupid stuff get stupid prizes

It’s be like climbing into the tiger exhibit at the zoo then being shocked the tigers attack you. Hey you need to put the tigers down they attacked that guy who broke the law and climbed into their fenced off exhibit.


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02 Jun 2020, 3:55 am

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funeralxempire wrote:
I'd argue if you're in the process of slamming your car into or through a crowd you've ceased to be an innocent person.

I’d argue people should block thei freeways where they know cars are going 70+ mph and won’t be able to stop quickLy.

Do stupid stuff get stupid prizes

It’s be like climbing into the tiger exhibit at the zoo then being shocked the tigers attack you. Hey you need to put the tigers down they attacked that guy who broke the law and climbed into their fenced off exhibit.


I hope that notion comforts him while he's in prison for the next few years.


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02 Jun 2020, 4:45 am

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Not to mention a igloo cooler in the bed of the truck with a 30 pack of Bud Light on ice,and one opened beer in the console for when you hit the back roads and there are no cops about.


Forget the back roads, a cooler full of beer and a fully loaded firearm just makes looting all the more fun. We driving into the middle of the city. The cops may even thank us if we give them a couple of beers. :mrgreen:
Give the cops some coke too,they just love to do lines on the dashboard of the cruiser.


So THAT'S the reason I keep wanting some powdered donuts day after day from this small local bakery and don't get the same enjoyment out of Krispy Kreme or Dunkin Donuts.
They used to have Bess Eaten Donuts in my area,those were real good,old fashioned glazed.You couldn't tell if it was a shop or the state police barracks.


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02 Jun 2020, 5:06 am

Some dude last night thought imitating other people driving there cars into crowds would be cool,so he tried it himself,hit two parked cars and dies at the scene. :lol: :lol: :skull: People just keep getting dumber

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02 Jun 2020, 5:21 am

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Some dude last night thought imitating other people driving there cars into crowds would be cool,so he tried it himself,hit two parked cars and dies at the scene. :lol: :lol: :skull: People just keep getting dumber

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I think they hit rock bottom already when they injected themselves with lysol



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02 Jun 2020, 6:25 am

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Some dude last night thought imitating other people driving there cars into crowds would be cool,so he tried it himself,hit two parked cars and dies at the scene. :lol: :lol: :skull: People just keep getting dumber

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I think they hit rock bottom already when they injected themselves with lysol
I prefere injecting Glade myself :lol: :lol:


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02 Jun 2020, 3:31 pm

There's very fine people on both sides of the debate over whether not injecting or drinking household cleaners is a good idea. On the one hand you have the left-leaning medical establishment insisting 'you will die' and on the other hand Dear Leader God-Emperor says it might be a good idea worth investigating.


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02 Jun 2020, 3:59 pm

Just to update the situation, the police released the Truck driver from jail because the 36 hour hold period ran out (the authorities have 36 hours to bring charges or the person has to be released).

Video has been released but none of it is timestamped which suggests that the State Patrol and MNDOT is trying to hid the fact that they did not enforce the Governor's order to close the highways at 5pm CT. The people on the highway had assumed it would be closed by then based on what Governor Walz said. There were other cars besides the truck. The truck was empty and I think the driver was trying to get home before everything shut down. Nothing suggests that he tried to do this on purpose.

My opinion is that if the trucker is charged with anything, it will be a traffic violation because driving 70mph in that area is too fast, even for normal conditions. Probably along the lines of driving without reasonable care or Speed imprudent to conditions (he should have noticed people were driving the wrong way for some reason and had already started to slow down).



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02 Jun 2020, 4:09 pm

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Just to update the situation, the police released the Truck driver from jail because the 36 hour hold period ran out (the authorities have 36 hours to bring charges or the person has to be released).

Video has been released but none of it is timestamped which suggests that the State Patrol and MNDOT is trying to hid the fact that they did not enforce the Governor's order to close the highways at 5pm CT. The people on the highway had assumed it would be closed by then based on what Governor Walz said. There were other cars besides the truck. The truck was empty and I think the driver was trying to get home before everything shut down. Nothing suggests that he tried to do this on purpose.

My opinion is that if the trucker is charged with anything, it will be a traffic violation because driving 70mph in that area is too fast, even for normal conditions. Probably along the lines of driving without reasonable care or Speed imprudent to conditions (he should have noticed people were driving the wrong way for some reason and had already started to slow down).


I'm not sure what would be morally worse:

Situation A) He intentionally drove a truck into a large mass of people over his ideological disagreements.

Situation B) Police failed to do what they said they would and that put both the truck driver as well as all of the protesters at risk and had the potential to have costed many lives.


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02 Jun 2020, 5:55 pm

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Some dude last night thought imitating other people driving there cars into crowds would be cool,so he tried it himself,hit two parked cars and dies at the scene. :lol: :lol: :skull: People just keep getting dumber

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MassLive.com? Sounds more like DarwinAward.com



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02 Jun 2020, 5:57 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
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vermontsavant wrote:
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Not to mention a igloo cooler in the bed of the truck with a 30 pack of Bud Light on ice,and one opened beer in the console for when you hit the back roads and there are no cops about.


Forget the back roads, a cooler full of beer and a fully loaded firearm just makes looting all the more fun. We driving into the middle of the city. The cops may even thank us if we give them a couple of beers. :mrgreen:
Give the cops some coke too,they just love to do lines on the dashboard of the cruiser.


So THAT'S the reason I keep wanting some powdered donuts day after day from this small local bakery and don't get the same enjoyment out of Krispy Kreme or Dunkin Donuts.
They used to have Bess Eaten Donuts in my area,those were real good,old fashioned glazed.You couldn't tell if it was a shop or the state police barracks.


I was actually responding to your comment about the coke when I brought up the local donut shop.



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02 Jun 2020, 7:10 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
demeus wrote:
Just to update the situation, the police released the Truck driver from jail because the 36 hour hold period ran out (the authorities have 36 hours to bring charges or the person has to be released).

Video has been released but none of it is timestamped which suggests that the State Patrol and MNDOT is trying to hid the fact that they did not enforce the Governor's order to close the highways at 5pm CT. The people on the highway had assumed it would be closed by then based on what Governor Walz said. There were other cars besides the truck. The truck was empty and I think the driver was trying to get home before everything shut down. Nothing suggests that he tried to do this on purpose.

My opinion is that if the trucker is charged with anything, it will be a traffic violation because driving 70mph in that area is too fast, even for normal conditions. Probably along the lines of driving without reasonable care or Speed imprudent to conditions (he should have noticed people were driving the wrong way for some reason and had already started to slow down).


I'm not sure what would be morally worse:

Situation A) He intentionally drove a truck into a large mass of people over his ideological disagreements.

Situation B) Police failed to do what they said they would and that put both the truck driver as well as all of the protesters at risk and had the potential to have costed many lives.


Is there a situation c) where the driver was speeding and was unable to slow down when he realised there were crowds on the highway? or is that nested in situation B)?



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02 Jun 2020, 7:27 pm

The faster the vehicle is traveling, the longer it will take to come to a complete stop. In comparison to the figures noted above, a passenger vehicle will take about 316 feet from the awareness point when traveling 65 miles per hour. The semi truck takes about 525 feet before coming to a complete stop.

Most highways 65mph is the speed limit
So if anyone’s at fault it’s the police for failing to set road blocks to stop traffic on the highways and the protesters for thinking it’s a smart idea to run into a highway where cars go 65mph.
Chars or trucks on highways won’t stop I time that’s a known fact. It’s why it’s illegal to walk on highways.

If a bunch of people protested on some rail tracks would you blame the train for not being able to stop ?

A controlled study in 2000 found average driver reaction brake time to be 2.3 seconds
May not seem like a lot but when going 65mph it’s not long and then with taking 525 to come to stop.

It seems clear to me the driver had no idea there were people on wrong. And once saw there was reacted and breakers. Certainly the distance traveled looks to be that 525 feet before the truck stopped. Police and news said the driver was scared and shoot up,.
Like anyone would be having just almost hit people nit knowing they’d be there.

So tired of people jumping to concludes. Locals some car speed by on the road near the protesters so they all like racist a**hole, get their plates let’s ruin their lives.
Why cause they didn’t want to be caught in the protest, habe their windows broke and get beat up. The horror how dare. They. Another incent day before a protest jumped out in front of a slow moving car climbed in it and begun smashing the windshield and another came up behind it and smashed the back windows. Why? Well they were driving on road when the protest came up to and surrounded them.
The protest is erratic with no goal destination or route, how the f**k are people suppose to avoid it? And wirh people being assaulted and pulled out of their cars I’d speed though too.
Mind you the protesters were on the sidewalks. No where near the road or car.


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02 Jun 2020, 9:11 pm

cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
demeus wrote:
Just to update the situation, the police released the Truck driver from jail because the 36 hour hold period ran out (the authorities have 36 hours to bring charges or the person has to be released).

Video has been released but none of it is timestamped which suggests that the State Patrol and MNDOT is trying to hid the fact that they did not enforce the Governor's order to close the highways at 5pm CT. The people on the highway had assumed it would be closed by then based on what Governor Walz said. There were other cars besides the truck. The truck was empty and I think the driver was trying to get home before everything shut down. Nothing suggests that he tried to do this on purpose.

My opinion is that if the trucker is charged with anything, it will be a traffic violation because driving 70mph in that area is too fast, even for normal conditions. Probably along the lines of driving without reasonable care or Speed imprudent to conditions (he should have noticed people were driving the wrong way for some reason and had already started to slow down).


I'm not sure what would be morally worse:

Situation A) He intentionally drove a truck into a large mass of people over his ideological disagreements.

Situation B) Police failed to do what they said they would and that put both the truck driver as well as all of the protesters at risk and had the potential to have costed many lives.


Is there a situation c) where the driver was speeding and was unable to slow down when he realised there were crowds on the highway? or is that nested in situation B)?


I would describe that as within B). Even A) doesn't preclude a failure by police, I'm saying that if it was intentional then any police failings wouldn't excuse him in the slightest.


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02 Jun 2020, 9:57 pm

Bravo5150 wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Not to mention a igloo cooler in the bed of the truck with a 30 pack of Bud Light on ice,and one opened beer in the console for when you hit the back roads and there are no cops about.


Forget the back roads, a cooler full of beer and a fully loaded firearm just makes looting all the more fun. We driving into the middle of the city. The cops may even thank us if we give them a couple of beers. :mrgreen:
Give the cops some coke too,they just love to do lines on the dashboard of the cruiser.


So THAT'S the reason I keep wanting some powdered donuts day after day from this small local bakery and don't get the same enjoyment out of Krispy Kreme or Dunkin Donuts.
They used to have Bess Eaten Donuts in my area,those were real good,old fashioned glazed.You couldn't tell if it was a shop or the state police barracks.


I was actually responding to your comment about the coke when I brought up the local donut shop.
I know,I didn't have a good joke ready in response.


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