cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
So Nazi doctrine (which predates Hitler) draws on the nordic standard of beauty which was all the rage in the latter half of the 19th century with the elevation of the nordic superman in aristocratic circles throughout Europe as the epitome of the hierarchical world of colonial Europe - where "Toynbeeist" manifest destiny was supported by Darwin's survival of the fittest. This was echoed in the mythical characters played in Wagner's operas.
I am not looking for a fight.
I believe I have made that clear over my last few posts to you.
Let me just say,
There was no "Nazi doctrine" before the Nazi party.
The Nazi party perverted the philosophy of Nietzsche, with the help of his sister, after he died.
To suggest the German culture had inherent Nazi sympathies is offensive.
BTW,
One could say that certain qualities of English and American culture were also less than ideal.
There were three phases
Phase 1 - Toynbeeist philosophy, eugenics and NT hierarchical thinking that white man's rule was manifest destiny and a sign of the newly established theory of evolution - survival of the fittest. The idea of the Nordic as the supreme manifestation of human evolution was popular all over northern Europe including Victorian Britain (not just Germany)
Phase 2 - The rise of the Nazi party and the internalisation of the nordic superman predates Hitler in Germany and starts from the end of WWI
Phase 3 - Nazis under Hitler's influence from the 1920s
The idea of white supremacy is not unique to the Germans.
Yet you only talked about German culture in your first post.
I imagine most "Tribes" believed in their superiority.
It is connected to human psychology.
Consider: "The Ego".
Also:
Are you aware the Jews considered themselves "The Chosen People"?
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Chosen people, the Jewish people, as expressed in the idea that they have been chosen by God as his special people. The term implies that the Jewish people have been chosen by God to worship only him and to fulfill the mission of proclaiming his truth among all the nations of the world. This idea is a recurring theme in Jewish liturgy and is expressed in many passages of Scripture, as for example: “For you are a people holy to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people of his own possession, out of all the nations that are on the face of the earth” (Deut. 14:2).
https://www.britannica.com/topic/chosen-peopleThis sort of belief is not solely a German creation.
Blame the evolution process. <shrug>
Eugenics and America:
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Eugenics, the set of beliefs and practices which aims at improving the genetic quality of the human population,[2][3] played a significant role in the history and culture of the United States during the Progressive Era, from the late 19th century until US involvement in World War II.[4]
While ostensibly about improving genetic quality, it has been argued that eugenics was more about preserving the position of the dominant groups in the population. Scholarly research has determined that people who found themselves targets of the eugenics movement were those who were seen as unfit for society—the poor, the disabled, the mentally ill, and specific communities of color—and a disproportionate number of those who fell victim to eugenicists' sterilization initiatives were women who identified as African American, Hispanic, or Native American.[5][6] As a result, the United States' Progressive-era eugenics movement is now generally associated with racist and nativist elements, as the movement was to some extent a reaction to demographic and population changes, as well as concerns over the economy and social well-being, rather than scientific genetics.[7][6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_ ... ted_StatesQuote:
Scientific Origins of Eugenics
Elof Carlson, State University of New York at Stony Brook
The eugenics movement arose in the 20th century as two wings of a common philosophy of human worth. Francis Galton, who coined the term eugenics in 1883, perceived it as a moral philosophy to improve humanity by encouraging the ablest and healthiest people to have more children. The Galtonian ideal of eugenics is usually termed positive eugenics. Negative eugenics, on the other hand, advocated culling the least able from the breeding population to preserve humanity's fitness. The eugenics movements in the United States, Germany, and Scandinavia favored the negative approach.
http://www.eugenicsarchive.org/html/eug ... 2text.htmlQuote:
The First International Eugenics Congress (1912)
The First International Eugenics Congress took place in London on July 24–29, 1912. It was organized by the British Eugenics Education Society and dedicated to Galton who had died the year prior.[2] Major Leonard Darwin, the son of Charles Darwin, was presiding. The five-day meeting saw about 400 delegates at the Hotel Cecil in London.[3] Luminaries included Winston Churchill, First Lord of the British Admiralty and Lord Alverstone, the Chief Justice, Arthur Balfour, as well as the ambassadors of Norway, Greece, and France. In his opening address Darwin indicated that the introduction of principles of better breeding procedures for humans would require moral courage. The American exhibit was sponsored by the American Breeders' Association and demonstrated the incidence of hereditary defects in human pedigrees. A report by Bleeker van Wagenen presented information about American sterilization laws and propagated compulsory sterilization as the best method to cut off “defective germ-plasm”. In the final address, Major Darwin extolled eugenics as the practical application of the principle of evolution.[2][4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... ConferenceQuote:
The Second International Eugenics Congress (1921)
The second Congress, originally scheduled for New York in 1915, met at the American Museum of Natural History in New York on September 25–27, 1921 with Henry Fairfield Osborn presiding. Alexander Graham Bell was the honorary president.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... ConferenceQuote:
The Third International Eugenics Congress (1932)
The third meeting was arranged at the American Museum of Natural History in New York City August 22–23, 1932, dedicated to Mary Williamson Averell who had provided significant financial support, and presided by Davenport.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... ConferenceAnd:
Once again,
Before Hitler, there were no *Nazi* philosophies.
To suggest otherwise is emotive and misleading.
11 Jun 2020, 11:04 pm
