Aunt Jemima deemed racist and getting rebranded

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22 Jun 2020, 9:54 pm

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For yrs and yrs (until 70s ?) they had candy in Sweden called n-word , then you had finnish candy called "negro kiss"


Funny that you mention that.

In the early two thousands there was a young Black woman in America who appeared on an open mic show on Comedy Central who had a whole routine about "the best way to defuse the N word is make it the name for a snack food", and she went into this dialogue about "WHAT? you're throwing a party and dont have n****rs? Everyone wants n****rs!".

Had both me, and the whole mixed race studio audience, in stitches. Of course only a Black person could get away with that, but still, it was hilarious.


Wouldn't work in Australia as we all have BBQs....throw another....on the barbie...well you know



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23 Jun 2020, 11:03 am

cyberdad wrote:
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For yrs and yrs (until 70s ?) they had candy in Sweden called n-word , then you had finnish candy called "negro kiss"


Funny that you mention that.

In the early two thousands there was a young Black woman in America who appeared on an open mic show on Comedy Central who had a whole routine about "the best way to defuse the N word is make it the name for a snack food", and she went into this dialogue about "WHAT? you're throwing a party and dont have n****rs? Everyone wants n****rs!".

Had both me, and the whole mixed race studio audience, in stitches. Of course only a Black person could get away with that, but still, it was hilarious.


Wouldn't work in Australia as we all have BBQs....throw another....on the barbie...well you know


Funny that you said that, because she ended the bit with how there could be different "flavors of n****rs"..."spicy n****rs", "cheese n****rs", but...I draw the line at "fried n****rs".



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23 Jun 2020, 11:59 am

Brazil nuts used to be called n***** toes,black insulation board was once called n***** board,to repair something hap hazard was to n***** rig,black eyed Susan’s were also know as n***** navels,there were n***** chaser fireworks,a broken bottle used as a weapon was known as a n***** knife.
The good thing is people are using these racist names less and less.


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23 Jun 2020, 1:06 pm

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Brazil nuts used to be called n***** toes,black insulation board was once called n***** board,to repair something hap hazard was to n***** rig,black eyed Susan’s were also know as n***** navels,there were n***** chaser fireworks,a broken bottle used as a weapon was known as a n***** knife.
The good thing is people are using these racist names less and less.


A local DC area friend told me about how he would hear terms like that when visiting his wife's folks back in Texas. The locals would notice his puzzled look when they talked about "n****r shooters", and they would say .."Oh I forgot. you're a Yankee! You all call them 'slingshots'."



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23 Jun 2020, 4:43 pm

There's still place names in Australia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger_Head
https://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/co ... ace/47992/

Also name of a popular fish used in recreational fishing

https://fishesofaustralia.net.au/Home/species/469



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23 Jun 2020, 5:00 pm

n****r isn't the only racial slur preserved in that regard. There's plenty of places that incorporate the word squaw into the place name. Apparently stealing our land wasn't sufficient, there's a need to rub it our faces by using these hateful slurs to refer to communities built on the stolen land.


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23 Jun 2020, 7:12 pm

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n****r isn't the only racial slur preserved in that regard. There's plenty of places that incorporate the word squaw into the place name. Apparently stealing our land wasn't sufficient, there's a need to rub it our faces by using these hateful slurs to refer to communities built on the stolen land.


There was a big debate in Australia about "redskins" which were a very popular cornerstore wrapped chewy lolly, As a matter of fact they were my favourite in primary school. For many adults its part of their culture growing up to go after school and buy a bag of redskins.

The weird thing was that the image on the wrapping (of an Indian brave with head dress) was something I really admired, As a kid I never linked the name of the sweet with something derogatory.



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23 Jun 2020, 8:06 pm

If it were up to me it would be ok to call indigenous Americans "Redskins"( though its not my preferred term), but I wouldnt give that name to an NFL team.

Its hard to say where to draw the line, but there is a line.

Names like "Chiefs", and "Braves", are no worse than "Vikings", and "Spartans". Historic warriors associated with particular ethnic groups are fine. But even as a kid back in the Sixties I had a dislike for our city's team's name because I became aware of football right at the moment that MLK Jr. educated us to judge folks "by the content of their character, and not by the color of their skin"- and here we have a team that has a color linked with the word "skin" right in the name. It just not asthetically pleasing anymore.



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23 Jun 2020, 9:20 pm

Yeah I agree NP, there are boundaries where the use of the term is no longer valid.

Redskins are still available in stores in Australia but they have removed the logo.

Another popular item was the Big red chewing gum.

I notice the Canadians don't have a problem with using Indian imagery to sell gum

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24 Jun 2020, 12:13 am

I think that's a very dumb idea. People will find anything to get offended by, these days.


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24 Jun 2020, 12:29 am

Aunt Jemma's great grandson is upset she is being removed.

https://www.syracuse.com/news/2020/06/g ... stice.html

Companies try to do the right thing only to upset a black person because they are still being racist. Perhaps they should ask black people how they feel about these people being used for their products than listening to white people. Ask for their opinion, is it racism to keep using these characters or would it be racism to remove them?


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24 Jun 2020, 1:11 am

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Aunt Jemma's great grandson is upset she is being removed.

https://www.syracuse.com/news/2020/06/g ... stice.html

Companies try to do the right thing only to upset a black person because they are still being racist. Perhaps they should ask black people how they feel about these people being used for their products than listening to white people. Ask for their opinion, is it racism to keep using these characters or would it be racism to remove them?


I think the reason Aunt Jemma was removed was to placate the current zeitgeist rather than because the family objected.



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24 Jun 2020, 4:21 am

cyberdad wrote:
Yeah I agree NP, there are boundaries where the use of the term is no longer valid.

Redskins are still available in stores in Australia but they have removed the logo.

Another popular item was the Big red chewing gum.

I notice the Canadians don't have a problem with using Indian imagery to sell gum

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Did you ask us? Personally I'd prefer them to not use us as marketing mascots.


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24 Jun 2020, 4:59 am

League_Girl wrote:
Aunt Jemma's great grandson is upset she is being removed.

https://www.syracuse.com/news/2020/06/g ... stice.html

Companies try to do the right thing only to upset a black person because they are still being racist. Perhaps they should ask black people how they feel about these people being used for their products than listening to white people. Ask for their opinion, is it racism to keep using these characters or would it be racism to remove them?


Black folks have been complaining about AJ for decades. And(as I understand it) it was a young Black woman Vlogger who asked "Isnt it about time we retire Aunt Jemima?" who pushed the company and the public to the tipping point.

So its not that they "didnt ask Black people".

But yes...on the other hand "ya cant win for loosing". Apparently (from what someone posted about it here on WP) the lady who posed as the model for AJ was an amazing person, and I can sympathize with her descendents being angry about it. You cant do anything with out stepping on someone's toes.

And I have to admit that I hadnt thought about AJ much in fifty years. Fifty years ago, when I was a kid ( and became aware of trademarks on products mom brought home from the grocery store), the Black Civil Rights Movement was erupting across the nation, and AJ seemed like an embarrassing anachronism. And it seemed that way largely because you didnt see Black people in the media in roles other than as servants and menials back then.

Today we have a former POTUS with a Black face, and commonly see Blacks in general in positions of authority in both the media and IRL the way you didnt fifty years ago. So I have to admit that maybe AJ actually seems less offensive today than she did in circa 1970 because of the more balanced way Blacks are depicted in the media landscape today.