I have a question about the George Floyd incident.
Absolutely no idea...I'd guess (unless there something which could be administered to couter the drug involved), and depending on the level in his bloodstream, it could be argued that he was "dead" regardless of whether he had interacted wityh the police or not, and depending on the effects the drug has (not something I've ever had any interest in), it may result in a similar cause of death to how he died (affect heart\breathing\whatever).
Hopefully one of the legal channels I watch can provide some clarity over the next few days. There is a reasonable chance that it will come up on Monday morning's (our time) Viva Frei\Robert Barnes one at the least.
I had noticed that, but couldn't work out a humerous way to mention it when I posted initially, sadly.
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They didn't like each other, he had the opportunity to do it and he'd get to show-off for his trainees because he's an awkward guy that no one really likes very much and he thought he'd get away with it. The moment the pieces fell into place Chauvin thought he could do it and get away with it. I'd go 1st degree and I'd win.
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They didn't like each other, he had the opportunity to do it and he'd get to show-off for his trainees because he's an awkward guy that no one really likes very much and he thought he'd get away with it. The moment the pieces fell into place Chauvin thought he could do it and get away with it. I'd go 1st degree and I'd win.
Seeing as you seem to have information (or legal knowledge) available to you that the prosecutors who didn't charge to that level apparently lack, maybe you should have a word with them and provide them the information they would need for that charge...
Or would you charge that high, knowing that by overcharging, he'd get off "not guilty"?
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They didn't like each other, he had the opportunity to do it and he'd get to show-off for his trainees because he's an awkward guy that no one really likes very much and he thought he'd get away with it. The moment the pieces fell into place Chauvin thought he could do it and get away with it. I'd go 1st degree and I'd win.
Seeing as you seem to have information (or legal knowledge) available to you that the prosecutors who didn't charge to that level apparently lack, maybe you should have a word with them and provide them the information they would need for that charge...
Or would you charge that high, knowing that by overcharging, he'd get off "not guilty"?
Actually all of that is in the public record already. His awkwardness, unpopularity (to the point of posters suggesting he might have an ASD) have been brought up before, same with conflicts with George Floyd at the nightclub they both worked at. If that's what's in the public record they've got no excuse.
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If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X
Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.
They didn't like each other, he had the opportunity to do it and he'd get to show-off for his trainees because he's an awkward guy that no one really likes very much and he thought he'd get away with it. The moment the pieces fell into place Chauvin thought he could do it and get away with it. I'd go 1st degree and I'd win.
Seeing as you seem to have information (or legal knowledge) available to you that the prosecutors who didn't charge to that level apparently lack, maybe you should have a word with them and provide them the information they would need for that charge...
Or would you charge that high, knowing that by overcharging, he'd get off "not guilty"?
Actually all of that is in the public record already. His awkwardness, unpopularity (to the point of posters suggesting he might have an ASD) have been brought up before, same with conflicts with George Floyd at the nightclub they both worked at. If that's what's in the public record they've got no excuse.
Strange how trained and experienced prosecutors didn't do that, then...Unless the required evidence was not there.
609.185 MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE.
(a) Whoever does any of the following is guilty of murder in the first degree and shall be sentenced to imprisonment for life:
(1) causes the death of a human being with premeditation and with intent to effect the death of the person or of another;
(2) causes the death of a human being while committing or attempting to commit criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence, either upon or affecting the person or another;
(3) causes the death of a human being with intent to effect the death of the person or another, while committing or attempting to commit burglary, aggravated robbery, kidnapping, arson in the first or second degree, a drive-by shooting, tampering with a witness in the first degree, escape from custody, or any felony violation of chapter 152 involving the unlawful sale of a controlled substance;
(4) causes the death of a peace officer, prosecuting attorney, judge, or a guard employed at a Minnesota state or local correctional facility, with intent to effect the death of that person or another, while the person is engaged in the performance of official duties;
(5) causes the death of a minor while committing child abuse, when the perpetrator has engaged in a past pattern of child abuse upon a child and the death occurs under circumstances manifesting an extreme indifference to human life;
(6) causes the death of a human being while committing domestic abuse, when the perpetrator has engaged in a past pattern of domestic abuse upon the victim or upon another family or household member and the death occurs under circumstances manifesting an extreme indifference to human life; or
(7) causes the death of a human being while committing, conspiring to commit, or attempting to commit a felony crime to further terrorism and the death occurs under circumstances manifesting an extreme indifference to human life.
(b) For the purposes of paragraph (a), clause (4), "prosecuting attorney" has the meaning given in section 609.221, subdivision 2, paragraph (c), clause (4).
(c) For the purposes of paragraph (a), clause (4), "judge" has the meaning given in section 609.221, subdivision 2, paragraph (c), clause (5).
(d) For purposes of paragraph (a), clause (5), "child abuse" means an act committed against a minor victim that constitutes a violation of the following laws of this state or any similar laws of the United States or any other state: section 609.221; 609.222; 609.223; 609.224; 609.2242; 609.342; 609.343; 609.344; 609.345; 609.377; 609.378; or 609.713.
(e) For purposes of paragraph (a), clause (6), "domestic abuse" means an act that:
(1) constitutes a violation of section 609.221, 609.222, 609.223, 609.224, 609.2242, 609.342, 609.343, 609.344, 609.345, 609.713, or any similar laws of the United States or any other state; and
(2) is committed against the victim who is a family or household member as defined in section 518B.01, subdivision 2, paragraph (b).
(f) For purposes of paragraph (a), clause (7), "further terrorism" has the meaning given in section 609.714, subdivision 1.
Source: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.185
The closest I could come to what you think should be charged would be under 609.185 (a) (1): "causes the death of a human being with premeditation and with intent to effect the death of the person or of another;"
But that requires evidence to support premeditation, which is lacking from your evaluation (did he set out that day intending to kill him? Had he told others he wanted to kill him?), along with "intent to effect the death of the person", yet no evidence has been supplied to support this other than your "didn't like him".
Just because you THINK a charge should be made, or at a certain level, doesn't mean the facts will support it.
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I'll be fine with the 2nd degree conviction. ![]()
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Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.
You are saying that people with mental or behavioral conditions are always able to control their reaction? I don't really know where to begin...
A counterfeiting bust goes down as a federal offense he would. Have been turned over to the feds
Dept of treasury . Feds then would have had to decline To prosecute , then local prosecutor would have trumped up extra charges to put the defendant into a weak position to plea bargain from ? Then if he has prior offenses he. Might have been facing a three strikes offense ? Thus getting him stuck in the penitentiary.
( just food for though)
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You are saying that people with mental or behavioral conditions are always able to control their reaction? I don't really know where to begin...
Yeah you are right, I see what you mean. One thing that puzzels me in the video, is when they place Floyd in the car, how was he able to get out? He is in handcuffs, and I thought that police car doors, lock you from outside so a suspect cannot get out? Unless that is not true, and if a cop puts you in the back, then you can just easily unlock the door, open it, and jump out still?
There is also this new evidence that has come out, according the video, where it looks like Floyd was a police informant, which could have some relation as to why he was killed, possibly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eMOI8vgCYM
But if it's true that he was a police informant, why didn't he tell the officers that? Could they have perhaps taken things easier on him and or handled it differently if he told them he was working for the department as an informant?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eMOI8vgCYM
But if it's true that he was a police informant, why didn't he tell the officers that? Could they have perhaps taken things easier on him and or handled it differently if he told them he was working for the department as an informant?
Perhaps it was a different branch, Chauvin and the others looked like local constable plods.
Floyd was no angel but he wasn't resisting arrest like Rayshard - lets attack Police Officers and try to taser them - Brooks.
I get the overall point the OP is making too.
Sometimes it feels like this fight for equal rights means the right for Black Criminals acting like a-holes and resisting arrest to be treated like White Criminals acting like a-holes and resisting arrest.
All I can say is you don't have to love either, but it should be equal, fair, and not result in being choked off and murdered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eMOI8vgCYM
But if it's true that he was a police informant, why didn't he tell the officers that? Could they have perhaps taken things easier on him and or handled it differently if he told them he was working for the department as an informant?
Perhaps it was a different branch, Chauvin and the others looked like local constable plods.
But even if it's a different branch, isn't still worth mentioning on the chance that it may save your life, because the cops may have some sort of receprocity with different branches? I mean when you are being brutalized, isn't it best to spit out anything that might try to change their minds, rather than thinking they won't care if you are an informant or not?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eMOI8vgCYM
But if it's true that he was a police informant, why didn't he tell the officers that? Could they have perhaps taken things easier on him and or handled it differently if he told them he was working for the department as an informant?
Perhaps it was a different branch, Chauvin and the others looked like local constable plods.
But even if it's a different branch, isn't still worth mentioning on the chance that it may save your life, because the cops may have some sort of receprocity with different branches? I mean when you are being brutalized, isn't it best to spit out anything that might try to change their minds, rather than thinking they won't care if you are an informant or not?
Perhaps but I doubt its widely advertised when somebody in the public is working as a police informant. Chauvin's decision to use his knee on Floyd's neck might have changed if he knew Floyd's role working with the police, but there again Chauvin already a history of rogue cop so it might not have made a difference.
