07 Jan 2021, 8:24 pm
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
I have been saying, for decades, that proper education is the key. 
There is also the problem of the children being indoctrinated into resenting the "White Invasion".
There is also the problem of the children being indoctrinated into resenting the "White Invasion".
A couple of things,
First the rate of inter-marriage between aboriginal and non-aboriginal people is at 77% for women and 68% for aboriginal men. Within a few generations the majority of aboriginal people will genetically/phenotypically be white. This hardly suggests a "resentment against white invasion" if they are actively choosing to assimilate themselves. This suggests the government policy of wanting to "breed out" aborigines back in the 1900s has infact been working. Actions speak louder than words. Aboriginal people want to assimilate. They have/are assimilating.
I used to tutor aboriginal students and many of them were not aware of their roots till much later in life. Most of the blonde haired/blue eyed aboriginal students I tutored had family from regional Victoria and parents, despite white privilege they all told me they don't feel liike they fit in Melbourne and felt disconnected from land/people.
07 Jan 2021, 10:03 pm
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07 Jan 2021, 10:24 pm
Teach51 wrote:
I was horrified to learn that the Australian Government took away the Aboriginal's children at one point, no amount of compensation can rectify such a heinous policy.
I think that the issue is much deeper. Similar to the Native Americans, the Bedouin in my country, the Aboriginals had (have?) an extremely rich and deep culture, rituals and ancient knowledge, an intense respect for nature and all life forms. Along came "civilization," they laughed at this wisdom and forbade it, declared it "primitive" or restricted its practice, replacing it with nothing but exploitation and addictive consumerism, a life devoid of meaning. When you take away faith and wisdom, treat the indigenous population like animals, strip them of their self-respect, then all that remains is an empty shell devoid of purpose and meaning, and the descent to crime, drugs and alcoholism is swift. I hope that their spirit will be rekindled, I hope the indigenous people of Australia and the world, will write books, inspire us, show us how to respect life and nature because they have so much more to offer than the culture which has been inflicted on us in the western world, which is crumbling around us as we speak. There can be no sufficient amends to be made by society to the Aboriginals, the crime of dehumanization and invalidation and its consequences are too immense.
I think that the issue is much deeper. Similar to the Native Americans, the Bedouin in my country, the Aboriginals had (have?) an extremely rich and deep culture, rituals and ancient knowledge, an intense respect for nature and all life forms. Along came "civilization," they laughed at this wisdom and forbade it, declared it "primitive" or restricted its practice, replacing it with nothing but exploitation and addictive consumerism, a life devoid of meaning. When you take away faith and wisdom, treat the indigenous population like animals, strip them of their self-respect, then all that remains is an empty shell devoid of purpose and meaning, and the descent to crime, drugs and alcoholism is swift. I hope that their spirit will be rekindled, I hope the indigenous people of Australia and the world, will write books, inspire us, show us how to respect life and nature because they have so much more to offer than the culture which has been inflicted on us in the western world, which is crumbling around us as we speak. There can be no sufficient amends to be made by society to the Aboriginals, the crime of dehumanization and invalidation and its consequences are too immense.
I agree with most of what you have said.
07 Jan 2021, 10:38 pm
08 Jan 2021, 12:51 am
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
I have been saying, for decades, that proper education is the key.
There is also the problem of the children being indoctrinated into resenting the "White Invasion".
There is also the problem of the children being indoctrinated into resenting the "White Invasion".
A couple of things,
First the rate of inter-marriage between aboriginal and non-aboriginal people is at 77% for women and 68% for aboriginal men. Within a few generations the majority of aboriginal people will genetically/phenotypically be white. This hardly suggests a "resentment against white invasion" if they are actively choosing to assimilate themselves.
-Where do you think I got this idea from?
-Do you think all members of the Aboriginal community think the same as you?
-You have never seen Aboriginal activist espousing hate against the white invaders and their colonial heritage?
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
This suggests the government policy of wanting to "breed out" aborigines back in the 1900s has infact been working. Actions speak louder than words. Aboriginal people want to assimilate. They have/are assimilating.
See above.
What you are saying is interesting, but it is off topic.
You never see *me* go off topic. [irony]
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I used to tutor aboriginal students and many of them were not aware of their roots till much later in life. Most of the blonde haired/blue eyed aboriginal students I tutored had family from regional Victoria and parents, despite white privilege they all told me they don't feel liike they fit in Melbourne and felt disconnected from land/people.
Interesting.
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08 Jan 2021, 5:52 am
Jiheisho wrote:
Pepe wrote:
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Black Lives Matter masks the truth behind Aboriginal deaths
Jacinta Nampijinpa Price
09 June 2020 | Daily Telegraph
The tsunami of virtue-signallers and protesters on our news feeds and social media platforms translating the American “Black Lives Matter” (BLM) movement and police violence issues to Australia is shifting focus off the far bigger problems facing indigenous Australians.
Jacinta Nampijinpa Price
09 June 2020 | Daily Telegraph
The tsunami of virtue-signallers and protesters on our news feeds and social media platforms translating the American “Black Lives Matter” (BLM) movement and police violence issues to Australia is shifting focus off the far bigger problems facing indigenous Australians.
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Worse still, activists, politicians, and ‘progressive’ commentators, who are only too quick to condemn white male perpetrators of domestic violence, too often excuse indigenous offenders on the basis of racism and colonisation.
Indeed, what activists fail to admit is that the No. 1 cause for high rates of incarceration for Aboriginal Australians is due to violent assault and acts intended to cause injury. And the primary victims of these assaults are other indigenous people.
Indeed, what activists fail to admit is that the No. 1 cause for high rates of incarceration for Aboriginal Australians is due to violent assault and acts intended to cause injury. And the primary victims of these assaults are other indigenous people.
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Between 2007-2011, 26 per cent of all deaths among Aboriginal children aged 0-17 were a direct result of abuse injury — that’s three times the rate for non-indigenous children. Furthermore, the leading cause of death between 2014-2018 for Aboriginal children was suicide. This is a quarter of all child suicides in Australia (or 85 out of 357).
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While this does not, and should not, excuse police brutality and misconduct, addressing the causes of violence in indigenous communities — including alcohol abuse, poverty, family dysfunction, and poor health and education outcomes — would do far more to close the gap between indigenous Australians and the rest of the country.
https://www.cis.org.au/commentary/artic ... al-deaths/
Why are you posting stuff from a political thinktank? This is just more neoliberal rubbish. From their mission:
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Influenced by libertarian thinkers such as Murray Rothbard, Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman as well as classical liberal philosophers such as Adam Smith, David Hume and John Locke, Greg Lindsay realised that he was facing an intellectual problem, not a political problem. In particular, Hayek’s famous essay, ‘The Intellectuals and Socialism’, helped to crystallise some thoughts on the role of ideas in politics that he had had for some time.
There board is awfully white too.
Naturally, you could post more honest scholarship that shows community disfunction can be the result of the policies of the dominant culture on minority groups. When you force people into poverty, you create huge social problems.
Oh sorry, I forgot, Australia does not have a problem with racism.
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What does civil conversation mean?
At its simplest, a civil conversation is a dialogue between two people or a group that intends to build a better understanding. Participants don't have to agree—what matters is the act of listening to other people and learning their perspective. In that way, a civil conversation focuses on process rather than results.
At its simplest, a civil conversation is a dialogue between two people or a group that intends to build a better understanding. Participants don't have to agree—what matters is the act of listening to other people and learning their perspective. In that way, a civil conversation focuses on process rather than results.
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