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22 Jan 2021, 5:31 pm

Claiming moral equivalency between immoral acts is a null defense.


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22 Jan 2021, 6:12 pm

Pepe wrote:
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Pepe wrote:
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Nice try; but the image title includes the words "Very_Fake_News.youtube.jpg", which betrays its lack of truth.


Is this any good? :scratch:

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What is the context?


I am making, and have been making for some time, the point that there are a$$holes on either side of the political divide.

I have no idea how people can argue against this.
Pointing this out isn't defending conservatives.
It is defending the Truth.

People are so odd. :?


I am well aware of that, still I am not sure exactly what is going on in that photograph. I have never argued against that there are a$$holes on either side. Just seems currently the one side is a bit more dangerous and racist at the moment. There are conservatives who have rejected this kind of thing and I commend them, but that doesn't erase the existence of white supremacists and terrorists on the right which are currently more dangerous even according to the FBI than any extreme leftists.


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22 Jan 2021, 6:16 pm

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How about this?

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Well it would help to know why the one officer appears to be on fire for context. But idk what about it? the link implies the image is from France, so not sure what this would have to do with left vs. right conflict in the U.S.


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23 Jan 2021, 6:38 pm

Fnord wrote:
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Nice try; but the image title includes the words "Very_Fake_News.youtube.jpg", which betrays its lack of truth.
That does raise some suspicion for sure. Also, I would not say I like cops, but no one should be murdered even if they are a cop. I mean there needs to be some big changes in our law enforcement for sure so cops seem more as public servants than horrifying street executioners.
The angle of the shadows do not match, either.  The light on the woman's face comes from the front of the woman's body, while the light on the building behind her comes from a different source at least 90° more to her right.

It looks like a poorly Photoshopped fake image.


Has this been Photoshopped?
I believe it happened in Europe.

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23 Jan 2021, 6:42 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Pepe wrote:
How about this?

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Well it would help to know why the one officer appears to be on fire for context. But idk what about it? the link implies the image is from France, so not sure what this would have to do with left vs. right conflict in the U.S.


My point/question is, are all progressives angels, or only the violent American ones? :P

Please note how I didn't change the 'link'.
It is significant. 8)



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23 Jan 2021, 7:05 pm

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I am well aware of that, still I am not sure exactly what is going on in that photograph. I have never argued against that there are a$$holes on either side.


Some never admit it.
You are more objective/fair-minded/rational.
I think you need to have a chat with some of your Kameraden. :mrgreen:

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Just seems currently the one side is a bit more dangerous and racist at the moment.


Yes, 19 dead and 2 billion dollars worth of damages is rather extreme. [Irony, through deliberate misunderstanding of the original context] :P

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There are conservatives who have rejected this kind of thing and I commend them, but that doesn't erase the existence of white supremacists and terrorists on the right which are currently more dangerous even according to the FBI than any extreme leftists.


So, if I cripple you, I am a better man than if I kill you.
I think most agree.
But I think most would also agree that it is better if neither is done. 8)

The recent leftist riots caused around 2 billion dollars worth of damage, burned down entire building blocks, destroyed the life dreams of people that the rioters were purporting to be protesting for.
Could you give me an example where the right-wing genuine fascist have achieved anything like this?

BTW.
Hitler murdered millions...
Stalin murder more...
Both actions are unacceptable.
"Two wrongs don't make a right." 8)



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23 Jan 2021, 7:19 pm

Fnord wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Pepe wrote:
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Nice try; but the image title includes the words "Very_Fake_News.youtube.jpg", which betrays its lack of truth.
That does raise some suspicion for sure. Also, I would not say I like cops, but no one should be murdered even if they are a cop. I mean there needs to be some big changes in our law enforcement for sure so cops seem more as public servants than horrifying street executioners.
The angle of the shadows do not match, either.  The light on the woman's face comes from the front of the woman's body, while the light on the building behind her comes from a different source at least 90° more to her right.

It looks like a poorly Photoshopped fake image.


I did some research.
It was indeed fake and created by a left-wing 'group'.

Obviously it is misleading and actually is spreading misinformation by the left against the left, bc not everyone digs down.
To me, it seems to be a self-inflicted political injury, and I am surprised it hasn't been taken down.

Something/k like this is a good example how 'Fake News" can be generated through 'False Flag' operations.
*This* is why it is better to keep an open mind, rather than jumping to conclusions.
*This* is why it is better to engage critical thinking rather than following a narrative, being a victim of confirmation bias and unconscious bias. 8)



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23 Jan 2021, 7:24 pm

Fnord wrote:
Claiming moral equivalency between immoral acts is a null defense.


I have *never* claimed they were "equivalent".
I have *always* maintained that both actions are wrong. 8)

Also, there are some, on the left, who aren't prepared to admit that.
Are they delusional or simply playing the political partisanship game?
I can only speculate. 8)



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24 Jan 2021, 1:38 am

New slogan:

Stop the hate!
MAKE America SANE AGAIN!

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24 Jan 2021, 7:45 am

That’s exactly what Biden wants.



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24 Jan 2021, 6:05 pm

Yes, we all should return to civility - - or at least to a much less violently hostile state of mind. But at the same time, we just can't forget how the previous President had sought to emulate the totalitarian strongmen around the world that he so admired, or that he had attempted to overturn a fair and legal democratic election, first through lies and facetious legal arguments, then through bullying and intimidation, then finally by an attempted violent coup.


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25 Jan 2021, 11:14 am

No matter how many people want immediate peace and quiet and forgiveness and ‘One Big Happy Family‘ for America, there MUST be investigations and arrests and trials.
The events that we know of and the many that are going to be discovered need to be exposed and dealt with legally, publicly, and done so by law enforcement and our court system.
You do not heal a country by covering up and ignoring the wrongdoings of the past.


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25 Jan 2021, 11:33 am

Sylkat wrote:
No matter how many people want immediate peace and quiet and forgiveness and ‘One Big Happy Family‘ for America, there MUST be investigations and arrests and trials.
The events that we know of and the many that are going to be discovered need to be exposed and dealt with legally, publicly, and done so by law enforcement and our court system.
You do not heal a country by covering up and ignoring the wrongdoings of the past.
You do not heal a country by letting its most heinous criminals remain untried, either.

The cancer must be excised from the body of free society!


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25 Jan 2021, 11:55 am

I think that we are agreeing.
You do not accomplish peace and quiet and superficial contentment by covering up and denying crimes and wrongdoings of the past.
That is what the former Confederacy and Segregation did.
Their past is STILL being literally dig up.


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25 Jan 2021, 12:17 pm

Sylkat wrote:
I think that we are agreeing.
You do not accomplish peace and quiet and superficial contentment by covering up and denying crimes and wrongdoings of the past.
That is what the former Confederacy and Segregation did.
Their past is STILL being literally dig up.
The past will never be buried until people first let it die.


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28 Jan 2021, 3:20 am

This thread stinks like republican and conservative media talking points.

Absolutely barbaric behaviour from the political right and their most fervent supporters.. and then a call for healing instead of them facing the consequences of their actions.

F that. There should be no unity & cooperation with seditious lawmakers and their insurrectionist supporters. Investigate, charge, prosecute & convict them all one by one. Wield political power to shape a progressive path forward for America. Unite behind common goals of progress & productivity, shifting to a cleaner greener economy, a higher standard of living, education, and healthcare. But do not give in to bad apples and let them get off Scott free with the crap they just pulled. Punish them to set the precedent that this garbage is completely unacceptable and will never be a part of what it is to be American. Unite on that.


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