Is it true a lot of Americans are fleeing the country?

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28 Jan 2021, 12:55 am

Pepe wrote:
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Weary from political strife and a pandemic, some Americans are fleeing the country

Americans are leaving the country or seeking foreign visas in record numbers, according to immigration lawyers and expatriate organizations, during an oppressive year of political violence, racial strife and an uncontrolled pandemic that has kept families locked in their homes for months — with no clear end in sight.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html


If anyone had been fleeing the country, the person who ultimately must shoulder the blame is Trump, who had set the wildfire ablaze.


Yes, his argumentative battle with the 'Media Fake News brigade' and the haranguing with the political left who attacked him 24/7 since second one, should take most of the blame.

Please remember why you guys voted Trump in, in the first place.
I.E. The corruption of the political aristocracy on *both* sides.

With 20/20 hindsight, it is my view that, ultimately, Trump was a very bad choice and was predominantly responsible for the American divisiveness that we see now.

Yes, it was *all* Trump's fault.
Not being a cyclopean partisan, I can see both sides of the argument. 8)

Time to stop hating, biatches, and make America sane again. 8)


If Trump had been attacked 24/7, it was because he had ridden into office by appealing to racism, by ridiculing both political opponents and even a disabled reporter, and by the most insane exaggerations and out-and-out lies from being the best educated and intelligent man on earth,


Yes, how silly, when *I'm* "the best educated and intelligent man on earth".
You don't have a good handle on 'irony' and 'hyperbole', my friend. ;)

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to the size of his inaugural. Most of those attacks on Trump were very justified.
As for voting Trump in to be rid of the political aristocracy - Mitch McConnell and other long time, establishment conservatives remained in place. So much for that.


Where did I suggest every Republican that you don't like was removed from a position of power?
Your comment came as a surprise to me.

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And for the record, Trump never once got my vote.


I never ever voted for Trump either, and I would never do so.
Hopefully, we have seen the last of him. 8)


This goes beyond hyperbole. Trump is clearly a malignant narcissist, and he intended everyone who heard him to believe his every word.
As those conservative politicians like McConnell are clearly part of the political aristocracy, it's clear Trump little to nothing about removing the "corrupt old guard." It seems Trump was only referring to liberals.
As far as hopefully seeing the last of Trump - on that we most certainly agree. But unfortunately, half the Republican rank-and-file, as well as the more extreme politicians want Trump to have a further voice in politics.


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28 Jan 2021, 12:57 am

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if history offers any clue, there will be worse coming down the pike, "something wicked this way comes..."


On the other hand, we might get Ivanka Trump.
Hubba Hubba. :heart: :mrgreen:

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28 Jan 2021, 2:59 am

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Canada doesn't exactly embrace Americans wanting to migrate there. It's very difficult to become anything other than a resident alien there. I wouldn't be able to become a Canadian citizen unless I married a Canadian.

Americans aren't exactly swarming to move to Mexico....


Wrong.

During the trump administration Canada quietly altered immigration requirements to make it easier for Americans to move here vs people from other countries. They changed some things about the weighting applied to things like language and cultural backgrounds and educations etc that basically favour Americans over other foreigners that want to move to Canada.

People can get work visas/permits, become permanent residents, and then eventually Canadian citizens.

Canada has been losing educated professional talent to the USA for many years (The “brain drain,” - people leave for much higher salaries.) and would be delighted to poach some of the best & the brightest talent from Team America to add to our tax base.

We have openings for virtually every skilled trade. Hands on skills certifications & experience are more useful to our economy than a Master’s Degree in anything. We need builders and technicians of all kinds. We also have a shortage of nurses, doctors, anesthetists and other healthcare professionals. Other sectors, too, I’m sure - but definitely blue collar worker bee skilled labour types.

Also helps if you are young, healthy, and have many working taxpaying years ahead of you.


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28 Jan 2021, 7:39 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
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Weary from political strife and a pandemic, some Americans are fleeing the country

Americans are leaving the country or seeking foreign visas in record numbers, according to immigration lawyers and expatriate organizations, during an oppressive year of political violence, racial strife and an uncontrolled pandemic that has kept families locked in their homes for months — with no clear end in sight.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html


If anyone had been fleeing the country, the person who ultimately must shoulder the blame is Trump, who had set the wildfire ablaze.


Yes, his argumentative battle with the 'Media Fake News brigade' and the haranguing with the political left who attacked him 24/7 since second one, should take most of the blame.

Please remember why you guys voted Trump in, in the first place.
I.E. The corruption of the political aristocracy on *both* sides.

With 20/20 hindsight, it is my view that, ultimately, Trump was a very bad choice and was predominantly responsible for the American divisiveness that we see now.

Yes, it was *all* Trump's fault.
Not being a cyclopean partisan, I can see both sides of the argument. 8)

Time to stop hating, biatches, and make America sane again. 8)


If Trump had been attacked 24/7, it was because he had ridden into office by appealing to racism, by ridiculing both political opponents and even a disabled reporter, and by the most insane exaggerations and out-and-out lies from being the best educated and intelligent man on earth,


Yes, how silly, when *I'm* "the best educated and intelligent man on earth".
You don't have a good handle on 'irony' and 'hyperbole', my friend. ;)

Kraichgauer wrote:
to the size of his inaugural. Most of those attacks on Trump were very justified.
As for voting Trump in to be rid of the political aristocracy - Mitch McConnell and other long time, establishment conservatives remained in place. So much for that.


Where did I suggest every Republican that you don't like was removed from a position of power?
Your comment came as a surprise to me.

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And for the record, Trump never once got my vote.


I never ever voted for Trump either, and I would never do so.
Hopefully, we have seen the last of him. 8)


This goes beyond hyperbole. Trump is clearly a malignant narcissist, and he intended everyone who heard him to believe his every word.
As those conservative politicians like McConnell are clearly part of the political aristocracy, it's clear Trump little to nothing about removing the "corrupt old guard."


Wow, are we on different wavelengths.
I never suggested I thought trump was going to klean out the corrupt Republican politicians.
What I meant was that a lot of American voters were unhappy with the corruption of the political elite.
I hope that misunderstanding has been resolved now.

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It seems Trump was only referring to liberals.
As far as hopefully seeing the last of Trump - on that we most certainly agree. But unfortunately, half the Republican rank-and-file, as well as the more extreme politicians want Trump to have a further voice in politics.


I'll take your word for it.
All that I can see is that Trump lost a lot of 'Brownie Points' after his dummy-spit that encouraged the violent protests at Capitol Hill, the silly bugger.



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28 Jan 2021, 7:42 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
if history offers any clue, there will be worse coming down the pike, "something wicked this way comes..."


On the other hand, we might get Ivanka Trump.
Hubba Hubba. :heart: :mrgreen:

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All looks, but little brains or capability.


Some say the same about this beautiful lady. :heart:

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28 Jan 2021, 8:32 am

that "beautiful lady" could twist trumpette into a pretzel with one hand tied behind her back.



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28 Jan 2021, 1:24 pm

Of course CNN & co. have biases and agendas. I think most of us take that into account. Fox News is just much more overt and egregious about it since they have a narrower, less moderate target audience. As much as people bemoan CNN's left bias, they are still aggressively moderate. It's just that to much of the Republican base, anybody to the left of Ronald Reagan is a commie or pinko.
Trump antagonized any media outlet that wasn't conservative since day one, so it's not like he can say they even started it. They would have hated him regardless because he's a generally awful person, but he couldn't help himself and his base ate it up.

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Some say the same about this beautiful lady. :heart:

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It feels sort of shallow and lewd of me... but dang if AOC isn't an absolute fox. Brains, beauty, and democratic socialism :heart:

Sadly she's still a politician, so I don't trust her half as far as I can throw her :(


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28 Jan 2021, 1:29 pm

It is fair to point out that when discussing male politicians, nobody mentions how "good" or "hot" they look.  The day that a woman can achieve great success and not be judged for her looks is the day when true equality between the sexes will finally be achieved.


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28 Jan 2021, 1:34 pm

The US / Canada border is still closed because of Covid.

Some spouses and families have been separated for months.

I knew a lot of Americans who wanted to flee during Trump (pre-Covid) but they weren't eligible for immigration status.

I have a Canadian friend who married an American. They've lived in USA for about 20 years. She has been trying to go home to Canada to visit her family. She even wants to leave her husband and move back to Canada.

She hasn't been allowed to cross the border at all because of Covid, and she's a Canadian citizen. :(


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28 Jan 2021, 1:53 pm

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The US / Canada border is still closed because of Covid.

Some spouses and families have been separated for months.

I knew a lot of Americans who wanted to flee during Trump (pre-Covid) but they weren't eligible for immigration status.

I have a Canadian friend who married an American. They've lived in USA for about 20 years. She has been trying to go home to Canada to visit her family. She even wants to leave her husband and move back to Canada.

She hasn't been allowed to cross the border at all because of Covid, and she's a Canadian citizen. :(


This is 100% BS. She is misinformed. I have a relative that works at CBSA. Canadians are Not denied entry to Canada, even during covid. Canadians are allowed to return to Canada, they just have to quarantine for 14 days. Even foreigners can be granted entry at land crossings under certain circumstances. Hell, Canadian citizens with covid symptoms are still allowed in. Canadians were never not allowed in - the biggest constraint to Canadians being stuck abroad and unable to return to Canada has been a lack of available flights, not Canada denying them entry.

She should read this & ask any questions to an agent for clarification:

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/ ... rictions_1

Also, the restrictions for non-essential travel are on land crossings. Damned near anyone of any nationality can travel to Canada from anywhere via airplane so long as they follow the rules - which now include getting a negative covid test in advance of travelling & then quarantining for 14 days.


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28 Jan 2021, 6:13 pm

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Oh yes I know that Fox news has agendas, but what news doesn't nowadays?
Fox is utterly worthless - a foul, malign presence. It stands head and shoulders above other news organisations for all the wrong reasons.

Tucker Carlson has had a Fox lawyer in court arguing that “Tucker Carlson Tonight” is a “commentary” show rather than a news show. That's a Fox lawyer saying that the Fox show is not news.
https://www.mediapost.com/publications/ ... ews-s.html

Also there's the rank, shameless hypocrisy - here's a great example of it in action:
(hint: they're talking about Obama here, yet had nothing to say about Trump)



Oh wait, here's another one:


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28 Jan 2021, 6:15 pm

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that "beautiful lady" could twist trumpette into a pretzel with one hand tied behind her back.

'Evidence.' :mrgreen:



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28 Jan 2021, 6:18 pm

LOL....people talk about how hot male politicians are, too!



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28 Jan 2021, 6:18 pm

Pepe wrote:
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that "beautiful lady" could twist trumpette into a pretzel with one hand tied behind her back.

'Evidence.' :mrgreen:
Listen to either of them speak. It's that easy.


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28 Jan 2021, 6:41 pm

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Of course CNN & co. have biases and agendas. I think most of us take that into account. Fox News is just much more overt and egregious about it since they have a narrower, less moderate target audience.


I can't comment because I don't have access to American Fox broadcasts because I haven't been seeking them out online.
I find Australian 'Sky News' extremely good, particularly because they have political representatives on both sides of the divide, unlike the Australian ABC.
I don't agree with *everything* the conservative presenters say, btw.
It would be very odd if I did.

Also, not every conservative presenter on Sky News agrees with every other conservative presenter on Sky News, which is a healthy sign.
There is considerable diversity of thought, over here in Australia, in comparison to America, based on observation.

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As much as people bemoan CNN's left bias, they are still aggressively moderate. It's just that to much of the Republican base, anybody to the left of Ronald Reagan is a commie or pinko.


And vice versa, based on my personal experience here on WP.
I don't know how many times I have pointed out I am a Trump disliking moderate independent conservative, but I am still treated like a 'Deplorable', by some. :roll:


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Trump antagonized any media outlet that wasn't conservative since day one,


And vice versa.
The media, particularly in America, has a very poor reputation in terms of integrity.
There are a gazillion examples of selective news grabs that pervert to the Truth of what has been said.
Context buggery is the norm, so it seems to me.
That is why I try to never jump to conclusions.
I don't like my chain being pulled by manipulative sociopaths and psychopaths.

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so it's not like he can say they even started it. They would have hated him regardless because he's a generally awful person, but he couldn't help himself and his base ate it up.


His personality is very abrassive.
Paul Keating, here in Australia, was heavily disliked because of his character.
I liked the man, personally, and thought it was more important that he was good at running the country rather than making people like him.
Yes, I am awaiting your obvious retort here. :mrgreen:

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Some say the same about this beautiful lady. :heart:

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It feels sort of shallow and lewd of me... but dang if AOC isn't an absolute fox. Brains, beauty, and democratic socialism :heart:


Hubba hubba. [reow! woof!] :mrgreen:

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Sadly she's still a politician, so I don't trust her half as far as I can throw her :(


I wouldn't trust her either, but I'd be happy if we threw each other around in the bedroom for weeks on end. :mrgreen:



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28 Jan 2021, 6:42 pm

Cornflake wrote:
Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
that "beautiful lady" could twist trumpette into a pretzel with one hand tied behind her back.

'Evidence.' :mrgreen:
Listen to either of them speak. It's that easy.


You missed the running WP joke.



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