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08 Feb 2021, 11:15 am

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There is talk (NY Times) now of the administration creating the position of "Reality Czar" to combat "Misinformation and Dangergous Ideas". This is absolutely horrifying.

It is horrifying. Were heading toward an Orwellian nightmare where no information critical of the oligarchy will be allowed. Why don't they just call it The Ministry of Propaganda and be done with it.

Because the sky is not falling.

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08 Feb 2021, 2:54 pm

VegetableMan wrote:

Mr Reynholm wrote:

There is talk (NY Times) now of the administration creating the position of "Reality Czar" to combat "Misinformation and Dangergous Ideas". This is absolutely horrifying.

It is horrifying. Were heading toward an Orwellian nightmare where no information critical of the oligarchy will be allowed.

Why don't they just call it The Ministry of Propaganda and be done with it.

Aren't the DNC and RNC already in court suing each other for the rights to that title?

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08 Feb 2021, 4:46 pm

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Sorry, but do you have a link to the news story? Your link is just to right-wing opinion commentators taking whatever they wanted to take out of context to spin conspiracy theories. No actual proof was given. And I am surprised you actually take these people seriously. The editing job by the guy in the middle to take the the clip he referenced out of context was just too silly and obvious.

Why do you think I take what was said to heart?
I am merely considering what is being proffered.
That is what critical thinkers do.

I don't automatically believe everything that I hear or read.
I don't follower a narrative.

I am not sure "critical thinkers" spend much time with that type of programing. And if they do, they are probably wondering why they are. It is hard to apply critical thought to material that evaded that process from the beginning. Unless of course you are interested in how misinformation is spread. But that does not look like the topic of the thread.

As far as not following a narrative, your postings are very consistent. Just an observation.

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08 Feb 2021, 4:55 pm

Fnord wrote:

Mr Reynholm wrote:

There is talk (NY Times) now of the administration creating the position of "Reality Czar" to combat "Misinformation and Dangergous Ideas". This is absolutely horrifying.

Maybe to someone who either lives to lie or who believes the lies they are told, but not to the rest of us.

Would you rather I marketed some software for everyone around you to do the same?

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08 Feb 2021, 4:59 pm

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Fnord wrote:

Mr Reynholm wrote:

There is talk (NY Times) now of the administration creating the position of "Reality Czar" to combat "Misinformation and Dangergous Ideas". This is absolutely horrifying.

Maybe to someone who either lives to lie or who believes the lies they are told, but not to the rest of us.

Would you rather I marketed some software for everyone around you to do the same?

No thanks. I already have my own methods for deconstructing conspiracy theories and other lies.

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08 Feb 2021, 5:00 pm

I was asking Mr. R & other Trumpesque personalities here. :lol:

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08 Feb 2021, 5:02 pm

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I was asking Mr. R & other Trumpesque personalities here. :lol:

Ah, no worries, then. Carry on!

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08 Feb 2021, 5:43 pm

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Don't want to be labeled a lunatic? Don't say loony things.

You do know I am not a Trump supporter, right?

I actually wasn't referring to you at all, but to crazy people.

I was asking you if you knew I wasn't a Trump supporter.
At least 4 people here do think I am, for some reason.

Again, Do you think I am a trump supporter?

If you say you're not, I'll take you at your word, but in the past your posts have led me to believe you were.

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08 Feb 2021, 6:22 pm

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Let's see here:

trump lied more than 30,000 times during his presidency.
trump supporters either believe or condone his lies.
qanon is a bunch of lies, many of them being about trump himself - saying he's some sort of saviour blah blah.

It's not really so much of a stretch to suggest that if at this point you're still on board to support a treasonous lying ex-president that incited a violent insurrection that got Americans killed that you may just Also support this other crazy crap like Q.

Yes, Trump is a liar.
I am not a Trump supporter.
I believe Qanon is rubbish.

It very much is a stretch since I have said many times I am not a Trump supporter.
You, and others, are fixated on me being one.
'Interesting'.

"you're" referred to anyone who supports trump, not You.

Although it does seem that you're a fan of the guy.

You just confirmed what I said.
More misrepresentation.
I have always said I am not a Trump 'fanboy'.
I have always said Trump is a narcissistic ninny.

What you don't seem to understand is that I am a defender of the Truth, as I see it.
I am a centrist, not a conservative.

I don't vote for the conservative party here in Australia.
I despise big business after the Royal Commission on banking and superannuation.
I think the American health system is dreadful.
I think America has a bad racism problem.

Also:
I want America to become sane again.
I want America to be strong economically and militarily.

I am surprised so many on the left have a problem with me.

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08 Feb 2021, 6:25 pm

Fnord wrote:

Mr Reynholm wrote:

There is talk (NY Times) now of the administration creating the position of "Reality Czar" to combat "Misinformation and Dangergous Ideas". This is absolutely horrifying.

Maybe to someone who either lives to lie or who believes the lies they are told, but not to the rest of us.

Both the left and right of politics misrepresent.

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08 Feb 2021, 6:27 pm

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Fnord wrote:

Mr Reynholm wrote:

There is talk (NY Times) now of the administration creating the position of "Reality Czar" to combat "Misinformation and Dangergous Ideas". This is absolutely horrifying.

Maybe to someone who either lives to lie or who believes the lies they are told, but not to the rest of us.

Maybe horrifying that it’s necessary?

But also horrifying that crazies like Alex Jones (who has argued himself that he is psychotic and that’s where his beliefs come from - could be a legal disclaimer, could be fact) will latch onto this and spread nonsense about how THEY, the liberal left, want to tell You what is real and what to think and believe!! It’s communist China!! ! Don’t listen to them! Gravity is BS!! The sky is orange!! Water is dry!! ! Climate change is a Chinese hoax! Biden is a robot copy of a lizard person and trump is still president ruling from his golf course like he always did!! ! ! ! !

This is human nature.

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08 Feb 2021, 6:29 pm

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I am a centrist, not a conservative.

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08 Feb 2021, 6:29 pm

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:lol:

Nah, not offended. I remember that clip. I remember thinking “Uhh, is this guy talking about froggies switching genders? (That’s a thing - many animals can switch genders if necessary to reproduce.) And he thinks it happens via chemicals in the water?? Umm, noooo.. it’s evolution you nut.” Now, 3 eyed frogs and stuff that could be some Chernobyl style influence.

Cool!

To me, Alex Jones embodies the spirit of every right-wing nut-job out there -- getting their facts wrong, believing it indicates something sinister, and then getting enraged over what they only believe to be true.

I have 'seen' both the left and right behave this way.

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08 Feb 2021, 6:36 pm

Jiheisho wrote:

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I am a centrist, not a conservative.

I am a rationalist, not an emotionalist.
That is why I can't embrace the American style of left-wing politics.
I do not believe that: "Morality is more important than the facts".

I have been told, by someone in Europe, that the Democrats have drifted a lot more to the left, in more recent times.
Here in Australia, the left is moving more to the right of politics.
Interesting.

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08 Feb 2021, 6:45 pm

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Pepe wrote:

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Don't want to be labeled a lunatic? Don't say loony things.

You do know I am not a Trump supporter, right?

I actually wasn't referring to you at all, but to crazy people.

I was asking you if you knew I wasn't a Trump supporter.
At least 4 people here do think I am, for some reason.

Again, Do you think I am a trump supporter?

If you say you're not, I'll take you at your word, but in the past your posts have led me to believe you were.

You are one of the more reasonable progressives.
I hope you understand that my focus is on unearthing the Truth, rather than supporting a narrative.
I will point out hypocrisy when I see it.

I have never committed to this life system and have no passionate interest in emotionally engaging in the societal corrupt nonsense we find ourselves in.
I don't understand why that is so hard for most people to understand.

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08 Feb 2021, 6:49 pm

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Firstly, all information is good information.
Secondly, yes I am consistent in my desire to unearth the Truth.

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