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17 Mar 2021, 7:32 pm

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The guy literally identifies as Christian and his photo clearly displays a neckbeard.
A white male Christian with a neckbeard, homicidal tendencies, and an addiction to sex.

Anything else?


Thanks for making my point. The bigoted slurs continue.



He is a he
He is white
He has a neckbeard
He identifies as christian evangelical
He murdered a bunch of people so homicidal tendencies are evidenced
He admitted to sex addiction

There is no more bigotry in those posts than saying "water is wet".

Try again.
I think youll get the hang of this in good time.


Absolutely none of it is relevant unless you are attempting to smear people because of their race, religion and gender. If you are really just posting irrelevant information about this person, just say it. I'll accept that but I won't honestly believe that is what you are doing until you say it.



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17 Mar 2021, 7:37 pm

How is it even possible to smear a racist who has just murdered 6 unarmed women in cold blood for being nothing more than Asian?  The only people who should come to the defense of such a person are his hired lawyers, and only to see to it that his own civil rights have not been violated.


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17 Mar 2021, 7:45 pm

Daddy63 wrote:
Sinister Biscuit wrote:
Daddy63 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Sinister Biscuit wrote:
The guy literally identifies as Christian and his photo clearly displays a neckbeard.
A white male Christian with a neckbeard, homicidal tendencies, and an addiction to sex.

Anything else?


Thanks for making my point. The bigoted slurs continue.



He is a he
He is white
He has a neckbeard
He identifies as christian evangelical
He murdered a bunch of people so homicidal tendencies are evidenced
He admitted to sex addiction

There is no more bigotry in those posts than saying "water is wet".

Try again.
I think youll get the hang of this in good time.


Absolutely none of it is relevant unless you are attempting to smear people because of their race, religion and gender. If you are really just posting irrelevant information about this person, just say it. I'll accept that but I won't honestly believe that is what you are doing until you say it.



Hrmm...seems a post didnt "take".

This is all perfectly relevant information. Some of it even part of the police press release.

Nice attempt, but would you like try again? you're 0 for 2 right now. I have faith!



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17 Mar 2021, 7:57 pm

The fact that a white person went on a rampage and slaughtered innocent and defenseless non-white women in cold blood just does not fit in with the "White Is Right" and "White People Are Victims" racist narratives, does it?


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17 Mar 2021, 7:58 pm

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For example, I have had people try and murder me in the past for all sorts of things, including:

drinking coke
wearing leather shoes
being married to someone who those who tried to murder me wanted to be married to
viewing legal porn (and being honest that i viewed it, rather than pretending I did not and lying to everyone).

One guy, a Hare Krsna, literally tried to murder me based on the fact that i drank coke (i don't any more as it happens) and owned a pair of leather shoes.

Seems you've had an awful lot of people try to murder you. Will it ever be possible for you to move to a better place?


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17 Mar 2021, 7:59 pm

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How is it even possible to smear a racist who has just murdered 6 unarmed women in cold blood for being nothing more than Asian?  The only people who should come to the defense of such a person are his hired lawyers, and only to see to it that his own civil rights have not been violated.

Were the message parlors targeted because they catered to Koreans or were the massage parlors that happen to cater to Koreans targeted randomly? Most are assuming racism due to the current spike in hate crimes targeting Asians but as of this writing, there has been no evidence of a racist motive released. If or until that is produced I am sticking with misogyny with a dose of incel and maybe a dose of fundamentalism.


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17 Mar 2021, 8:02 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
How is it even possible to smear a racist who has just murdered 6 unarmed women in cold blood for being nothing more than Asian?  The only people who should come to the defense of such a person are his hired lawyers, and only to see to it that his own civil rights have not been violated.

Was the message parlors targeted because they catered to Koreans or was the massage parlors that happen to cater to Koreans targeted randomly?. Most are assuming racism due to the current spike in hate crimes targeting Asians but as of this writing, there has been no evidence released of a racist motive. If or until that is produced I am sticking with misogyny with a dose of incel and maybe a dose of fundamentalism.



Do they need to cater to Koreans, or just people who fetishize East Asian women? If most of the workers were East Asian that doesn't mean that's who they'd primarily service.



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17 Mar 2021, 8:03 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
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How is it even possible to smear a racist who has just murdered 6 unarmed women in cold blood for being nothing more than Asian?  The only people who should come to the defense of such a person are his hired lawyers, and only to see to it that his own civil rights have not been violated.
Was the message parlors targeted because they catered to Koreans or was the massage parlors that happen to cater to Koreans targeted randomly?. Most are assuming racism due to the current spike in hate crimes targeting Asians but as of this writing, there has been no evidence released of a racist motive. If or until that is produced I am sticking with misogyny with a dose of incel and maybe a dose of fundamentalism.
I am on the side that votes "D. All of the above", although even the police are expressing doubt in his alleged "Sex Addiction" and "Eliminating Temptation" stories.


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17 Mar 2021, 8:28 pm

Fnord wrote:
How is it even possible to smear a racist who has just murdered 6 unarmed women in cold blood for being nothing more than Asian?  The only people who should come to the defense of such a person are his hired lawyers, and only to see to it that his own civil rights have not been violated.


How is possible to assume this man is a racist? Based on your posts it seems you are making the assumption that he is racist based on his skin color, gender and religious beliefs. If that isn't the case, how is it that his gender, religious faith and skin color are even relevant and why do you bring it up repeatedly? Do you really believe civil rights should be respected for all people regardless of race, religion and gender? Don't your posts explicitly indicate something different?



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17 Mar 2021, 8:33 pm

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The fact that a white person went on a rampage and slaughtered innocent and defenseless non-white women in cold blood just does not fit in with the "White Is Right" and "White People Are Victims" racist narratives, does it?


Under the law it ought to be irrelevant. It's you spewing this "White Is Right" and "White People Are Victims" nonsense to attack people because of there skin color. It's fabricated, bigoted nonsense. That's the point.



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17 Mar 2021, 8:38 pm

Fnord wrote:
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How is it even possible to smear a racist who has just murdered 6 unarmed women in cold blood for being nothing more than Asian?  The only people who should come to the defense of such a person are his hired lawyers, and only to see to it that his own civil rights have not been violated.
Was the message parlors targeted because they catered to Koreans or was the massage parlors that happen to cater to Koreans targeted randomly?. Most are assuming racism due to the current spike in hate crimes targeting Asians but as of this writing, there has been no evidence released of a racist motive. If or until that is produced I am sticking with misogyny with a dose of incel and maybe a dose of fundamentalism.
I am on the side that votes "D. All of the above", although even the police are expressing doubt in his alleged "Sex Addiction" and "Eliminating Temptation" stories.


Aren't you really wanting to vote "D. All of the above" because you assume you know his motives because of his skin color, religious beliefs and gender?



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17 Mar 2021, 9:48 pm

Charges for accused mass shooter could include hate crimes, experts say

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While the investigation continues into the shooting spree Tuesday that killed eight people at three metro Atlanta spas, experts agree there appears to be enough for prosecutors to charge the accused shooter with a hate crime.

According to law enforcement, Robert Aaron Long, 21 of Woodstock, admitted to the shootings, claiming he was addicted to sex and killed the women in the spas to eliminate temptation. Of the eight people killed, seven are women and all but one of those appear to be of Asian descent.

David Barkley, senior Southeast counsel for the Anti-Defamation League, said Georgia’s new hate crimes law includes crimes related to biological sex and gender identity as well as race, religion and national origin. If Long targeted women because of his alleged sex addiction, that’s a hate crime, he said.

To make that determination, investigators will be looking at social media posts and what he may have said to friends and family about women, Barkley said.

“That’s all relevant to determining whether his real motivation was to target women,” he said.

Jessica Cino, a law professor at Georgia State University, said that “deep dive” into Long’s background will determine whether the shootings meet the criteria to charge him under the state law. However, Cino said the state hate crime law, which became law last summer, is broadly constructed.

“His statement (about sex addiction) doesn’t prevent the prosecution prosecuting this as a hate crime based on gender or race,” she said.

The state statute does rely on local law enforcement to submit what is called a “bias crime report” as part of the investigation. Some authorities involved in the investigation have signaled there’s not enough evidence yet to make that call.

“During his interview, he gave no indicators that this was racially motivated,” Cherokee Sheriff Frank Reynolds said Wednesday. “We asked him that specifically and the answer was no.”

Pressure already is mounting to determine whether Long will be charged with a hate crime.

“We’re not sure of his real motives, but it sounds like a hate crime,” said Sunny Park, an Atlanta businessman and president of the American Korean Friendship Society. “There were lots of places he could go and kill other people, but he chose to go where there were Asian women.”

BJay Pak, a Korean American lawyer and politician who stepped down as U.S. Attorney in Atlanta in January, said the primary focus should be on the victims.

“But let’s not forget about the context in which the shooting occurred and why it will have such a big impact on Asian Americans in Georgia and nationwide,” Pak said. “This shakes us to the core.”

Mia Bloom, an expert of terrorism and extremism at Georgia State University, said the shooting spree is similar to last year’s deadly attack against an erotic spa in Toronto by a 17-year-old “incel,” shorthand for the violently misogynistic subculture of “involuntary celibates.”

Bloom said the details of Long’s motivations are not entirely clear, but targeting women because of a man’s uncontrolled sexual impulses is “classic misogyny.”

“He had to shoot these women because, of course, he is not responsible for his own addiction,” she said.

The picture might be even more complex, Bloom said. There is overlap among incels with white supremacy and conspiracy theories like QAnon, she said.

“The larger part of the (incel) community is diverse and people move from ideology to ideology,” she said.

Within hours, news of the shooting spree had become fodder on fringe white supremacist forums, with some cheering the slayings in stark racial terms.


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18 Mar 2021, 2:49 am

I don't think he necessarily targeted Asians in as much as he targeted sex workers.

According to the shooter -"He apparently has an issue, what he considers a sex addiction, and sees these locations as a temptation for him that he wanted to eliminate," s

I know here in Melbourne 99% of the massage parlours are owned by Asians so if he attacked massage parlours in Atlanta he is likely his victims were going to be asian (rather than him seeking out Asians).

Likely not a hate crime.



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18 Mar 2021, 3:04 am

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Likely not a hate crime.

So, targeting a profession that happens to be dominated by people of certain gender and ancestry in a serial shooting is not a hate crime because it's the profession that he targets?


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18 Mar 2021, 3:23 am

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Likely not a hate crime.

So, targeting a profession that happens to be dominated by people of certain gender and ancestry in a serial shooting is not a hate crime because it's the profession that he targets?


He's a self-confessed sex addict, he might have frequented these parlours (or similar ones).

My point is he was perhaps angry at the profession/girls for making him an addict rather than their race.

So, yes, it can still be a hate crime against women/sex workers but I'm skeptical if it was a hate crime specifically against Asians.



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18 Mar 2021, 3:37 am

From my perspective, this behavior is more comparable to e.g. Charlie Hebdo related killings: a religious fanatic targets people who "offend" what he finds "sacred".
Only the Charlie Hebdo pictures were at least really, intentionally offensive - but we still find killing people over this acts of horrible terrorism. Massage parlors are not intended to offend anyone, they're just businesses.


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