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05 Sep 2021, 11:33 pm

Texas women are considering a sex strike to protest the law. Basically, the aim is to turn all men in Texas into incels, even if they oppose Abbott and his agenda, until the law is repealed.

Basically less than half of Texas women are considering this.


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06 Sep 2021, 12:22 am

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Texas women are considering a sex strike to protest the law. Basically, the aim is to turn all men in Texas into incels, even if they oppose Abbott and his agenda, until the law is repealed.


So, protest a ban on a procedure by refusing to participate in the action neccesary for the banned procedure to be required?

Sounds like something of an "own goal"...



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06 Sep 2021, 2:33 am

Brictoria wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Texas women are considering a sex strike to protest the law. Basically, the aim is to turn all men in Texas into incels, even if they oppose Abbott and his agenda, until the law is repealed.


So, protest a ban on a procedure by refusing to participate in the action neccesary for the banned procedure to be required?

Sounds like something of an "own goal"...



In a heterosexual male dominated world, women have withheld sex to get their way many times throughout history. Usually it's to end fighting or a war, but can be for other political motives. In parts of the world where women don't have much say in things, withholding sex is the most powerful statement they can make to get men to change their minds and do what they want. Effective.


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06 Sep 2021, 3:00 am

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There are Satanists out there who actually do worship Satan as a for real entity. They generally aren't public about their beliefs.

But even most theistic Satanists aren't simply reverse Christians. Different theistic Satanists hold different views on who and what "Satan" is, but only a minority believe in a simple reversal of Christianity. For just one example, see In Satan's Honor by Marie RavenSoul.

Also there are plenty of small theistic Satanist groups out there that are at least somewhat public, or at least have an Internet presence, although they aren't nearly as big or as public as the major atheistic symbolic Satanist groups such as the Church of Satan and the Satanic Temple.


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06 Sep 2021, 3:06 am

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While I’m a bit uncomfortable talking about this in a thread with so much Satan discussion, here goes.

If you're uncomfortable with having this be buried in "so much Satan discussion," perhaps you could re-post the following in a separate new thread in PPR?

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It comes down to the real life reasons women end up having abortions. Without writing a book, lack of comprehensive, affordable healthcare and lack of proper information about conception top the list. So when healthcare and information access are increased, abortion goes down dramatically. When poverty is decreased, abortion goes down dramatically. Address these factors, and you pretty much solve the issue. You not only decrease abortion dramatically, but you also improve the outcomes for pregnant women and babies across the board. We have an embarrassingly high maternal and infant mortality rate for a developed nation; I don’t know why the pro-life political movement doesn’t seem to care about those babies. There will always be some abortions that are more elective, but those women also have the resources to get their abortions somewhere else if need be, so you really can’t affect those outcomes. You also can’t affect the abortions done out of medical necessity unless we get the medical profession to change its terminology; even removal of a dead fetus enters the data as an abortion. The proof the measures work is in the Netherlands, which has a lower abortion rate than most countries where it is illegal.

You should also be aware that I’ve had two different friends who have said they would never have had abortions if it had been legal at the time. They were underage and forced into it by adults. One had no idea that what her boyfriend talked her into was sex.

Societal attitudes towards out of wedlock birth also factor in, as does making it possible for teen mothers to complete their education by providing free childcare.

As Christians all these other measures should be things we support. They are part of caring for our neighbors.


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06 Sep 2021, 3:38 am

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In a heterosexual male dominated world, women have withheld sex to get their way many times throughout history. Usually it's to end fighting or a war, but can be for other political motives. In parts of the world where women don't have much say in things, withholding sex is the most powerful statement they can make to get men to change their minds and do what they want. Effective.


Has that ever been effective before?



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06 Sep 2021, 5:17 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
While I’m a bit uncomfortable talking about this in a thread with so much Satan discussion, here goes.

If you're uncomfortable with having this be buried in "so much Satan discussion," perhaps you could re-post the following in a separate new thread in PPR?


I answered where QFT asked the question to make it easy for him to find the answer. I don’t have the time nor the inclination to engage on PPR right now, or I would have gone there instead of here.


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06 Sep 2021, 5:21 am

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Tim_Tex wrote:
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Isn't there a site rule about generalisations such as this?


There is. The statement made me uncomfortable, as well. Not to mention, from what I can tell talking with other women, I don’t think it’s true. The way conservatism, religion and sex mix isn’t a one-size fits all formula and can be, well, quite interesting.

All of which I say as someone generally considered to be politically liberal.


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06 Sep 2021, 6:31 am

I consider every baby a gift from Jesus.



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06 Sep 2021, 6:45 am

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I consider every baby a gift from Jesus.


So do I, but sometimes real life can get quite complicated, and sometimes trying to do right by person A harms persons B, C and D. It isn’t always clear what God wants from us or what the “right” answer is.


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06 Sep 2021, 6:47 am

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Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
I consider every baby a gift from Jesus.


So do I, but sometimes real life can get quite complicated, and sometimes trying to do right by person A harms persons B, C and D. It isn’t always clear what God wants from us or what the “right” answer is.

Well the Bible is real clear about murder."Thou Shall Not Murder"



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06 Sep 2021, 7:47 am

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
I consider every baby a gift from Jesus.


So do I, but sometimes real life can get quite complicated, and sometimes trying to do right by person A harms persons B, C and D. It isn’t always clear what God wants from us or what the “right” answer is.

Well the Bible is real clear about murder."Thou Shall Not Murder"


Does the bible specifically define abortion as murder?


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06 Sep 2021, 7:57 am

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Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
I consider every baby a gift from Jesus.


So do I, but sometimes real life can get quite complicated, and sometimes trying to do right by person A harms persons B, C and D. It isn’t always clear what God wants from us or what the “right” answer is.

Well the Bible is real clear about murder."Thou Shall Not Murder"


Does the bible specifically define abortion as murder?

Well my church teaches that God wondefully makes babies in the womb so i would say yes.There is a verse in the Bible like in possibly Jeremiah that says that.....that God wonderfully creates babies in the womb so yes the Bible defines unborn babies as actual human beings.



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06 Sep 2021, 8:12 am

This is the way I view it. I personally believe abortion IS taking a human life, but then again so is war and the death penalty and we all know that most Republicans are in favor of those two things.

Just think of it all as being a necessary evil. Sometimes abortions should be necessary when there is rape involved or when a very young child gets pregnant or there could be health complications that put the mother or her child at risk of dying.

The same is true for war and the death penalty. Sometimes it is necessary to go to war to protect ones own territory from invaders and the death penalty should exist for the monsters who are such a danger to society that they are irredeemable.


If we were such a truly 'enlightened' society we would all get this. :roll:


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06 Sep 2021, 9:28 am

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
I consider every baby a gift from Jesus.


So do I, but sometimes real life can get quite complicated, and sometimes trying to do right by person A harms persons B, C and D. It isn’t always clear what God wants from us or what the “right” answer is.

Well the Bible is real clear about murder."Thou Shall Not Murder"


The Bible is clear about murder.
It's also clear that not all killing is murder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordeal_of ... tter_water

Sounds like the Bible is pro-abortion in that context. :nerdy:


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06 Sep 2021, 10:05 am

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
I consider every baby a gift from Jesus.


So do I, but sometimes real life can get quite complicated, and sometimes trying to do right by person A harms persons B, C and D. It isn’t always clear what God wants from us or what the “right” answer is.

Well the Bible is real clear about murder."Thou Shall Not Murder"


Does the bible specifically define abortion as murder?

Well my church teaches that God wondefully makes babies in the womb so i would say yes.There is a verse in the Bible like in possibly Jeremiah that says that.....that God wonderfully creates babies in the womb so yes the Bible defines unborn babies as actual human beings.


Check Psalm 137:9