Stray bullet kills English astrophysicist visiting Atlanta

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01 Feb 2022, 9:37 pm

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That requires a fair bit more nuance than creating a police state for poor people
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ess-crime/


I agree, that's why criminal justice reform and wealth redistribution are high on my political priorities list.


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01 Feb 2022, 10:48 pm

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It feels to me like we constantly attack the violence problem. Realistically, violence is as old as time and while we can try to mitigate it, it isn't going away. The variable that isn't as old as time? The type of weapon used, although going backwards there wouldn't always be an improvement for innocent bystanders.


I think you're wrong there, even if you take out all the gun crime and assume no weapon substitution, i.e. that gun crimes would simply not occur absent the guns, the US still has a much higher rater of violence than comparable countries, the issue is our culture, or specific subcultures to be precise. Poverty and desperation play a role, but the world is full of poor desperate people who aren't killing each other over perceived disrespect, leading me to suspect that honor culture plays a large role in the US violent crime rate.


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02 Feb 2022, 12:47 am

Dox47 wrote:
... the US still has a much higher rater of violence than comparable countries, the issue is our culture, or specific subcultures to be precise. Poverty and desperation play a role, but the world is full of poor desperate people who aren't killing each other over perceived disrespect, leading me to suspect that honor culture plays a large role in the US violent crime rate.


True/agreed. But not something any political solution can change, is it?


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02 Feb 2022, 1:01 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
True/agreed. But not something any political solution can change, is it?


Actually, yes:

https://hwfo.substack.com/p/the-gun-solution

It involves ending the drug war and some other stuff you probably aren't going to like, but it's a realistic look at the problem and how to fix it.

Also, I didn't write it, though that guy does sound a bit like me on occasion.


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02 Feb 2022, 1:09 am

How does a bullet go through a wall? Even for a high powered bullet, it would seem the walls of the apartment complex must be of a very poor standard. A window would be a different matter entirely. Before reading the article I imagined it may have been while they were walking on the street or in a public place. It's even more tragic that they were relaxing in their own place when this happened.


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02 Feb 2022, 1:34 am

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How does a bullet go through a wall? Even for a high powered bullet, it would seem the walls of the apartment complex must be of a very poor standard.


Depends on the bullet and how the wall is constructed, even relatively low powered pistol bullets designed for reduced penetration, such as hollowpoints, will still sail through multiple layers of drywall and thin siding. The article didn't specify what he was hit by, but pistol would be a safe bet based on the statistics, very few criminals are lugging rifles around, and my instinct is that gang-banger types aren't shelling out for premium hollowpoint ammo, so just going by what's popular, a 9mm FMJ will penetrate 8 standard sheets of plywood and still be moving just from what I've personally seen, more than enough to go through a few walls and still have dangerous amounts of energy left.


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02 Feb 2022, 1:43 am

Dox47 wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
True/agreed. But not something any political solution can change, is it?


Actually, yes:

https://hwfo.substack.com/p/the-gun-solution

It involves ending the drug war and some other stuff you probably aren't going to like, but it's a realistic look at the problem and how to fix it.

Also, I didn't write it, though that guy does sound a bit like me on occasion.


I totally agree with the end the drug war part.

The unintended consequences (although some will argue the intention) have been devastating.

It's a place to start.


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