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03 Feb 2022, 4:53 am

Don't be stupid, be a smarty. Come and join the Nazi Party.

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03 Feb 2022, 4:55 am

TheRobotLives wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

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why are too many in the GOP leadership silent in this matter?

Republicans regularly denounce socialists.

Nazis aren't socialists though.

A sign that clearly says "SOCIALIST" is enough proof for most people.

Anyone with knowledge of history knows fascism is not socialism. Originally when the Nazi party was born, the plan had been to bring together right wing nationalists and left wing socialists. Proving impossible, the right wing nationalists won out, but the name was kept. Leftists in the party were either violently purged like Ernst Rohm had been, or had been coopted like Josef Goebbels. The policies of the Nazis were hardly left wing, as Germany's organized labor movement had been crushed and socialists and communists were sent to concentration camps. All the while, Hitler and the Nazis had made an alliance with Germany's big business community, many said businessmen having taken part in Hitler's crimes.
None of that sounds like socialism to me.
I challenge you to produce evidence that todays Nazis in America promote any socialist ideals, besides having the word "socialist" in the name of their organizations.

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03 Feb 2022, 5:51 am

One of these days, I'm going to have to do a thread on the domestic economic policies of Nazi Germany, along with the rise of Italian Fascism; I suspect certain heads will just about explode.

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03 Feb 2022, 6:56 am

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One of these days, I'm going to have to do a thread on the domestic economic policies of Nazi Germany, along with the rise of Italian Fascism; I suspect certain heads will just about explode.

LOL please do, I will find it entertaining for one.

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03 Feb 2022, 5:32 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

I challenge you to produce evidence that todays Nazis in America promote any socialist ideals, besides having the word "socialist" in the name of their organizations.

Random citizen driving by likely doesn't know or care about historical policies.

Random citizen driving by sees "socialist", and likely makes the conclusion of "socialist".

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03 Feb 2022, 5:54 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

I challenge you to produce evidence that todays Nazis in America promote any socialist ideals, besides having the word "socialist" in the name of their organizations.

Random citizen driving by likely doesn't know or care about historical policies.

Random citizen driving by sees "socialist", and likely makes the conclusion of "socialist".

Random people driving by see the words, "Nationalist Socialists," and recognize "Nazis."
But what does that have to do with Nazis in any way espousing liberal or socialist ideals?

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03 Feb 2022, 6:23 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

TheRobotLives wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

why are too many in the GOP leadership silent in this matter?

Republicans regularly denounce socialists.

Nazis aren't socialists though.

It's a nonsense argument meant to detract from the topic at hand. I suspect most people who imply that are already aware nazis aren't really socialists, but they know saying it will irritate people potentially enough to derail them.

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03 Feb 2022, 6:37 pm

VegetableMan wrote:

Don't be stupid, be a smarty. Come and join the Nazi Party.

Mel Brooks?

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03 Feb 2022, 6:42 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

I challenge you to produce evidence that todays Nazis in America promote any socialist ideals, besides having the word "socialist" in the name of their organizations.

Random citizen driving by likely doesn't know or care about historical policies.

Random citizen driving by sees "socialist", and likely makes the conclusion of "socialist".

Fairly certain PoC and Jewish people driving past know what these jokers are about.

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03 Feb 2022, 6:47 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Random people driving by see the words, "Nationalist Socialists," and recognize "Nazis."
But what does that have to do with Nazis in any way espousing liberal or socialist ideals?

Since you must know ...

This group, NSM, has on their website, a plan that calls for ...

1. nationalization of industries
2. communalizations of company warehouses to be used for housing
3. expropriation of land for the purposes of national welfare
4. ban on all unearned income (such as stock profits, etc)
5. national guarantee of a livelihood for citizens
6. creation of a new national education program
7. mandatory sharing of profits from companies
8. end of "rent slavery"
9. expansion of old age welfare

These people are hard core socialists.

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03 Feb 2022, 6:50 pm

cyberdad wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

Don't be stupid, be a smarty. Come and join the Nazi Party.

Mel Brooks?

Bingo!

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03 Feb 2022, 6:50 pm

NAZI is the German acronym for their translation of "National Socialist Workers Party."

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03 Feb 2022, 8:05 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Random people driving by see the words, "Nationalist Socialists," and recognize "Nazis."
But what does that have to do with Nazis in any way espousing liberal or socialist ideals?

Link, please.

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03 Feb 2022, 8:16 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:

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Random people driving by see the words, "Nationalist Socialists," and recognize "Nazis."
But what does that have to do with Nazis in any way espousing liberal or socialist ideals?

Some aspects of socialism aren't that bad. It's like they're based on the idea of a society where everyone supports one another, but you act like it's a bad thing because the Nazis supported it and you still think the Nazis had everything to do with socialism, that their actions destroying lives was the socialism all along. You have received multiple, multiple, MULTIPLE historically accurate history lessons stating that the Nazis were ANYTHING but socialist. Will you open your eyes?

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03 Feb 2022, 9:07 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Random people driving by see the words, "Nationalist Socialists," and recognize "Nazis."
But what does that have to do with Nazis in any way espousing liberal or socialist ideals?

They're hardcore national socialists, which fundamentally isn't the same as being socialist because something that resembles socialism superficially while rejecting internationalism and instead making national and ethnic chauvinism it's core trait leaves the result no longer aligned with socialism or socialists.

Ideologies like the NazBols, or like the Nazis might describe themselves with the word socialist but they're ideologically distinct enough that they're not compatible as allies. Historically, attempts at red-brown cooperation were marred by those incompatibilities and it seems to suggest the Germans breaking their alliance with the USSR might have been the last moment cooperation was possible.

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03 Feb 2022, 9:49 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Random people driving by see the words, "Nationalist Socialists," and recognize "Nazis."
But what does that have to do with Nazis in any way espousing liberal or socialist ideals?

Sorry but.... :lol:

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