Ivermectin found to have "antiviral effect" with Covid virus

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That's one of the worst things about this (I'm still recovering from having received China's 2019 gift to the world) - Medication which is known to be safe for human use being withheld from people (or derided\mis-characterised) due to politics.

For example, even if the medication doesn't work against a specific disease\virus (and for this virus, minimal testing has been conducted on a number of possibilities), there is still the chance of it "working" via the "placebo effect" - If a person believes it will work, and they are given it, there is an increased chance of their condition improving as a result despite the medication not having a known active effect on the disease\virus.

Even just the lessening in stress on the patient, knowing they are receiving a medication they believe will work, may be the difference between their recovery and their not recovering... And if it is safe\doesn't cause them harm, why should they be prevented from even that small chance?

Edit: The whole messaging around this virus has been terrible - When my wife was in hospital just after Christmas with the virus (she has a number of medical conditions and compromised immune system), she ended up having to "comfort" the first person who was placed in her room, as they were told they were going to be taken to ICU, and based on all the reports about "numbers in ICU" and "Numbers of deaths" in the media, the person was convinced that the move to ICU automatically meant that they were going to die. Luckily she'd been in ICU enough times to be able to explain what ICU was\how it worked and help them understand what was happening - And that going there did not mean they were going to die from the virus.

She was lucky that her virus count wasn't too high, so she was able to get a dose of monoclonal antibodies, but the 2 or 3 people who rotated through her room weren't, having a viral count above the limits for receiving them. Hopefully they all recovered, though.

Last edited by Brictoria on 04 Feb 2022, 6:57 am, edited 1 time in total.

Roll out Ivermectin using standard doses used in the past and realistically the worst case scenario is a few people get dewormed and it does nothing against the virus. The so-called "vaccines" are a completely different beast.

@Bric: There IS a psychological effect involved. When I had it fifteen months ago, I suspected it could only be Covid but decided to let my immune system do its job. This was a long time before the vaccines became available in SA. I registered for the vaccine some months ago but never went since consulting several reliable medical science sources indicating that the vaccine isn't needed if you already had the virus, as you don't get Covid-19 twice.

It's true that the vaccines reduce the effect of serious Covid, but its not a perfect or one size fits all solution. It depends on pone's genetics and biological make up as well as any comorbidities, since there are some people I've heard about who died from getting Covid even though they were fully vaccinated. They are a tiny minority, but their stories shouldn't be swept under the carpet.

Not sure finding ivermectin showing an anti-viral effect against Omicron in 'non-clinical' research is the same thing as Ivermectin having been proven an effective treatment against covid in Humans.

It isn't.

While the vaccine didn't help in a small minority of cases, it's also true to say that some of the strange concoctions Trump endorsed or recommended also caused some deaths in the case of folk who preferred to listen to him than their doctor.

It is better to believe appropriately-trained scientists and medical personnel than bloviated politicians and bloggers.

Absolutely. People should stick to what they're good at, and that's especially true for politicians and bloggers!

The problem is when you're living in an oligarchic system, even science can be corrupted, especially government agencies like the FDA. It's becoming ever more difficult to suss out the truth.

Well, dewormed, but probably not cured of the Covid virus. Besides, I'm happy with my shots.

Everything they say about horse paste having any real effect on covid is a huge pile of male bovine excrement. Or horse manure, in this case.

Yes, you can, and this is also true if you have been fully vaxxed and boosted
Cleveland Health Clinic

Yeah I was going to say. Are we living in an alternate universe where moderators are going against qualified medical advice and propping up crackpot theories indirectly encouraging people play russian roulette with their lives?

I do hope your friend survives
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer- ... t-covid-19

To add,

I think drug repurposing should have gotten the Warp Speed treatment. Drug trials are expensive and time-consuming, and there'll be some small-molecule drugs [and monoclonal antibodies] on the market that will help (and many have in animal studies already). One success story in humans is Luvox with its 30% reduction in hospitalization, and that's readily available, somewhat cheap and safe enough.

Small-molecule drugs/monconals are equally as important as vaccines when it comes to coronaviruses, as the latter aren't a silver bullet like they are for say Measles due to short lasting antibodies and antigenic drift (so, there's always going to be a lot of people susceptible to infection as antibody titers drop or evolution does its thing, so enter drugs/monoclonals; immune memory will help, but not dramatically so).

There's some things I'd like to see randomized controlled trials on, but alas, I'm just a professional autistic.

He never actually used it. He was just doing some research into whether it was effective or safe. He's had both his vaccine shots, The only reasons I didn't are a) had Covid already and b) scared of needles since a kid! I'm not anti vax or pro "alternative" treatments; just a personal fear of any medical procedures and hospitals in particular. I am thankful I've never had to spend a single night in a hospital - only been numerous times to outpatients for various reasons.