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02 Feb 2022, 4:05 am

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To be fair to her, the Holocaust was based mostly on antisemitism, xenophobia and other prejudices. Race actually played little roll in the Holocaust.

Obviously we live in a age where nobody knows what race actually is however.


Wrong.



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02 Feb 2022, 4:12 am

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Can you PLEASE extract your head from you ass?


You didn't realize that I was summarizing Whoopi's argument, did you? I'd have thought it would have been obvious, seeing as I was explaining it in detail in multiple other posts that you can't possibly have missed.


Of course I realized that.

Thats very reason why I made the post.

I would think that that would be obvious.

Whats your point?



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02 Feb 2022, 4:24 am

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Obviously we live in a age where nobody knows what race actually is however.


You mean "Europeans" (and those of European background) aren't all from a single "White" race?


At least those with an African heritage can claim they share the same ("Black") race, though, can't they?



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02 Feb 2022, 4:54 am

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Of course I realize that. Thats the very reason why I made that polite request.

Whats your point?


Oh, well I thought you were simply mistaken, now I'm afraid I think you're something else entirely.


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02 Feb 2022, 5:13 am

Brictoria wrote:
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Obviously we live in a age where nobody knows what race actually is however.


You mean "Europeans" (and those of European background) aren't all from a single "White" race?


At least those with an African heritage can claim they share the same ("Black") race, though, can't they?


Yeah it happened in Europe, they were mostly white but they would have targeted anyone regardless of race if they felt the need.

The Holocaust was mainly predicated on removing "undesirables" of certain religious, disability or to an extent nationality.

Describing being Jewish as a "race" isn't really true, along with nationality or disability. Autistics share a lot in common too but we are hardly a collective race despite the fact we would have also been sent to the concentration camps ourselves.



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02 Feb 2022, 5:13 am

Dox47 wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Of course I realize that. Thats the very reason why I made that polite request.

Whats your point?


Oh, well I thought you were simply mistaken, now I'm afraid I think you're something else entirely.


What are you talking about?



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02 Feb 2022, 6:57 am

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Does this help (from 2018, I believe)?


Yes, thank you.

I occasionally think people won't believe me when I explain what the actual theory behind a lot of the woke stuff really is, but the receipts are there in plain sight if you know where to look.


Sligthly older material (2002):
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The ADL survey showed a slight increase in anti-Jewish sentiment to 12 percent among white Americans from 9 percent in 1998. The number of blacks with strong anti-Semitic beliefs remained steady at 35 percent, the survey said.

Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-shows-rise-in-anti-semitism/

The anti-semitism among the "black" population seems to be neither recent, nor a "fringe" belief, sadly.

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Anti-Semitism in America, according to a survey commissioned by the Anti-Defamation League, stands at an all-time low. But alarmingly, the survey found blacks three to four times more likely than non-blacks to be anti-Semitic.

Black Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga., urges America to rethink its support of Israel. Reverend Jesse Jackson, who once called Jews “Hymie” and New York City “Hymie-town,” now demands that George Bush ensure the safety of Palestinian Authority leader Yasser Arafat.

Jackson’s acolyte, Al Sharpton, once referred to Jews as “diamond merchants.” In 1991, Sharpton turned the death of a black child in a traffic accident in Brooklyn, involving a Hasidic Jew, into a racial incident. Sharpton led 400 protesters through the Jewish section of Crown Heights. There were four nights of rock- and bottle-throwing, and a young Talmudic scholar was surrounded by a mob shouting, “Kill the Jew,” and was stabbed to death.

Source: http://www.elderstatement.com/2014/04/the-strange-phenomenon-of-black-anti.html?m=1



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02 Feb 2022, 7:15 am

I think the suspension is ridiculous.

I hope she can do the sensitivity training online.



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02 Feb 2022, 8:34 am

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To be fair to her, the Holocaust was based mostly on antisemitism, xenophobia and other prejudices. Race actually played little roll in the Holocaust.

Obviously we live in a age where nobody knows what race actually is however.

I do not think of the Jews as a race but as a cultural religious group. The core of Nazism is racial hygiene and based on their belief of Jews as a conspiratorial race they decided to wipe them out.

Lets say I falsely believe you are screwing a women I am in love with and I kill you for it. By your logic your murder was not about jealousy because you did not even know the deceased.

I do not know if Whoopi said what she said because she thinks of Jews as white because of looks or because of the woke belief that Jews are white adjacent.


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02 Feb 2022, 8:39 am

It should be noted that there are Jews who are not "Caucasian."

I've known a few black Jews. Sammy Davis Jr., black entertainer, converted to Judaism.

The reason why Jews are sometimes thought of as being a "race" is because of their Diaspora. Just like the "black race" resulted, primarily, from the African Diaspora.



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02 Feb 2022, 9:03 am

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What she said was dumb, suspending her for it is also dumb. Interesting to see some pushback on the "Jews are just another type of white people" view that's been voguish on the left recently, perhaps the tides are starting to turn.
Has it been voguish on the left? . . .
No, but what I have witnessed is when confronted by oppression of any race other than their own, some people will deny that any such oppression ever occurred to any member of that other race.

It does not matter if the person denying the oppression is disabled, old, young, LGBTQ, cis-, straight, male, female, white, black, brown, or whatever; according to them, no one else ever suffers oppression as much as they and their kind.

Many people -- from Ms. Goldberg to Mr. Trump -- often fall into this trap.



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02 Feb 2022, 12:45 pm

I was grossly misinformed what race even is. I thought race was by skin color and nationality was by if we are American or Native American, Russian, Jewish, Hungarian, Gypsy, etc. so white supremacy never made sense to me and why being white is best. To me it's just skin color. Imagine two kids fighting about which color is better between Pink and Orange.

Perhaps Woopi was misinformed too about race and people jumped to assuming she was being racist intentionally. She did apologize. I think there is two different types of racists. One of them can be amended because their racism came from naivety and being misguided and can change their view once educated. The other type are just willful and don't care and think anything is woke so no amount of education will make them change their view and they may simply call it gaslighting.

And funny how even people of color are held accountable for saying something racist.


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02 Feb 2022, 12:58 pm

Race is defined as “a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits.” The term ethnicities is more broadly defined as “large groups of people classed according to common racial, national, tribal, religious, linguistic, or cultural origin or background.”

No, race does not only mean skin colour. It's more related to a person's cultural / religious background as described here. ^

That's why there are so many wars worldwide between groups which share the same skin colour but yet have different belief systems, religions, cultural practices, etc. Not to name specific countries but think of the wars between Russia / Ukraine, or Serbians and Croatians, or even Israel and Palestine.

Race is much more nuanced than skin colour. If it were that simple there would be very little war or strife on the planet, because we only have a limited number of skin colours and even those aren't representative of our country of origin.


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02 Feb 2022, 1:58 pm

Nades wrote:
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Nades wrote:
Obviously we live in a age where nobody knows what race actually is however.


You mean "Europeans" (and those of European background) aren't all from a single "White" race?


At least those with an African heritage can claim they share the same ("Black") race, though, can't they?


Yeah it happened in Europe, they were mostly white but they would have targeted anyone regardless of race if they felt the need.

The Holocaust was mainly predicated on removing "undesirables" of certain religious, disability or to an extent nationality.

Describing being Jewish as a "race" isn't really true, along with nationality or disability. Autistics share a lot in common too but we are hardly a collective race despite the fact we would have also been sent to the concentration camps ourselves.


You clearly know nothing of race, nor of Hitler's intentions and motivation for his actions with regard to the Jewish people. Beyond simply reading up on the history leading up to WW2 and a synopsis of Mein Kampf, I strongly suggest you educate yourself on current nuances regarding Jews and Judaism rather than continue your spouting on this thread. David Baddiel's Jews Don't Count is where I would start if I was in your position, and go from there.



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02 Feb 2022, 2:08 pm

What she said was poorly worded and misspoken, but not coming from any place of hate or ill intent.



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02 Feb 2022, 3:46 pm

This ^.

My point was the Goldberg said something ill informed that comes off as insensitive -that related to racism- but was not actually itself racist. She needed to be called out. But I agree...she doesnt need severe punishment.

Racism was part of Nazi ideology. Every educated person should know that. Jews were often defined by European Whites as non Whites in the pre WWII era.