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25 Feb 2022, 9:18 pm

A military intervention would be disastrous on an epic scale. Russia backed by China is a force the US and NATO can not push into submission militarily.

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25 Feb 2022, 9:26 pm

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an independent puppet state.

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25 Feb 2022, 9:27 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

What's all about this Putin fandom in America?

Isn't your gf Romanian btw? I doubt she likes Putin.

Good point.
I hope Rexi is ok emotionally.

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25 Feb 2022, 9:31 pm

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What's all about this Putin fandom in America?

I'm curious myself.

Nades isn't a septic tank, but I have only seen him and Rootbeer seeing things from pootin's side.

Could those who think pootin has a right to invade Ukraine acknowledge that they do?
Should I make a poll?
You know I will.
I dare you to motivate me. :mrgreen:

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25 Feb 2022, 9:33 pm

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A military intervention would be disastrous on an epic scale. Russia backed by China is a force the US and NATO can not push into submission militarily.

Yes there's no other option except sanctions. I understand some governments are sending aid to the Ukrainians.

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25 Feb 2022, 9:35 pm

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Putin is trying to destroy Democracy as a governing model, period. .

I don't think Putin is an ideologue. He is a nationalist and using his authoritarian powers to expand Russia's borders in exactly the same way China is right now taking advantage of COVID19. He does not care about spreading communism. Neither does China.

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25 Feb 2022, 9:37 pm

He’s a classic Pan-Russian nationalist—like Hitler was a Pan-German nationalist.

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25 Feb 2022, 9:39 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

magz wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

What's all about this Putin fandom in America?

I'm curious myself.

Probably they never been under an occupation led by a totalitarian madman for decades.

It could be a good thing having a bear fighting strong man controlling septic tank land.
Think about it. :scratch:

Having a psychopathic murderer getting rid of the political deadwood...
Save a few taxpayer dollars and provide more oxygen for the rest of us. <satire> :mrgreen:

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25 Feb 2022, 9:40 pm

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I'm not exactly a fan of your average democrat/liberal, but I haven't seen any of them being Putin fans or apologists. .

I don't think he's going to meet much international resist but I would say I care. And thank you for calling attention to the serious problem Ukraine has with nationalism. It gets glossed over bc it does not fit the Russia Bad!Ukraine Good! narrative. Ukraine's government remains dominated by right wing and centrist groups. They have integrated neo-nazi militias into their armed forces and sent them against pro-Russian separatists in Donbas in the last decade with predictable results. That said: I see Russia and Ukraine as nationalist v nationalist. I still stand with Ukraine because Putin's touching concerns about anti-Russian nationalists is rooted in moral double standards and opportunism. Ukraine and Ukrainians have been kicked around by Russia for too long. Putin's actions will only serve to make Russians in Ukraine into even bigger targets for neo-nazis.

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Nobody cared or gave two hoots when the Burmese military Junta and so called nobel peace prize winners started genociding people in western and northern Burma. They just called it "anti-terrorism",.

I heard no shortage of recognition in the media that Burma's military was committing atrocities. I struggle to think of anyone trying to defend Aung San Suu Kyi for her inaction over the genocide of Burmese Muslims.

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Nobody cared when Saudi Arabia launched a massive attack on an "independent" country of Yemen killing unknown numbers of civilians.

Lol no argument here. People forget Yemen even exists.

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25 Feb 2022, 9:44 pm

cyberdad wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

A military intervention would be disastrous on an epic scale. Russia backed by China is a force the US and NATO can not push into submission militarily.

Yes there's no other option except sanctions. I understand some governments are sending aid to the Ukrainians.

The question is, who's going to suffer the most from more sanctions. Common people have already been experiencing increasing economic suffering due to Covid.

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25 Feb 2022, 9:52 pm

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Sometimes simply not seeing someone as Satan himself gets viewed as fandom.

Labelling Putin as satan and ignoring all the other "demons" is to be expected. Does anyone really think he's going to do anything more than create a puppet state in Ukraine?

Nope, not for a few years, at least, until he has consolidated his position in Ukraine first.
But don't forget xi.
pootina and xi are working in tandem.
(Notice how pootin waited until the end of the genocide Olympic games?)

It will be xi's turn to flex his muscles in regard to Taiwan, imo.
pootin will continue pushing the imperialistic line tho later on.
That is why NATO has to get its fingers out of its collective bums and start being serious about strengthening the military.

The only way to stop this megalomanic is from a position of strength.
This is the only thing psychopaths like pootin and xi understand.
"Might makes right" is the only thing creatures like that understand.

Weakness is like catnip to psychopaths generally, not just in a war scenario.
Psychopaths are attracted to people who are vulnerable.
Personally, I don't see the fun in that, but it is what it is.
Nature of the beast. <shrug> :wink:

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25 Feb 2022, 9:56 pm

cyberdad wrote:

roronoa79 wrote:

I'm not exactly a fan of your average democrat/liberal, but I haven't seen any of them being Putin fans or apologists. .

I'm a leftie but I don't care about Putin's ambitions in former Soviet states like Ukraine. He's going to do it and nobody is going to stop him anyway. Putin sees (and he's partly right) Ukrainian nationalists as dangerous fascist milita.

Nobody cared or gave two hoots when the Burmese military Junta and so called nobel peace prize winners started genociding people in western and northern Burma. They just called it "anti-terrorism",.

Nobody cared when Saudi Arabia launched a massive attack on an "independent" country of Yemen killing unknown numbers of civilians.

There is a global/geopolitical double standard, Do I support Putin...no...but I wouldn't life a finger...no...not until the global community starts treating all people the same.

Mate, be serious.
There was no profit in it. :mrgreen:

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25 Feb 2022, 9:58 pm

If Biden doesn’t do well in this crisis the next POTUS will be hawkish, it’s setting us up for Rotten Tom Cotton.
President Cotton.
It sounds just awful.

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25 Feb 2022, 10:03 pm

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It will be xi's turn to flex his muscles in regard to Taiwan, imo.
pootin will continue pushing the imperialistic line tho later on.

That's the end game I'm worried about. Russia has meddled in Ukraine before. CHina invading Taiwan under some lame pretext like they did with HK might cause problems if Australia is bound by some treaty to send troops.

Chinese navy has already been shooting lasers at Australia personell in Australian waters. We are going to get our asses kicked and then suffer economic collapse if we try and save Taiwan.

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25 Feb 2022, 10:09 pm

cyberdad wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

Sometimes simply not seeing someone as Satan himself gets viewed as fandom.

Labelling Putin as satan and ignoring all the other "demons" is to be expected. Does anyone really think he's going to do anything more than create a puppet state in Ukraine?

Putin supporter! :evil:

j/k

I'm a non-interventionist

I am too. I think a lot of what other nations, especially the US, do about it is just going to cause hardship on the common citizens throughout the world.

Precisely^^^ it's not a price I'm willing to pay.

It's not like anyone lifted a finger to help South Africa between 1948-1991 when it was occupied by an evil colonial government, However sanctions worked in the end.

So using that logic sanction Russia but don't sacrifice other people's lives by sending in foreign troops to die in a fight that has nothing to do with them.

Why are you talking about foreign troops intervening?
Its already been settled.
It isn't going to happen.
stalin pootin has won this round.
Time to accept that an prepare to deter the monster from further incursions down the track.

I can imagine how smug pootin must be now, knowing how well he played the west while they were preoccupied with hugging trees, pulling down racist statues, turning everything/k green, putting up slave-labour solar panels, and making most of Europe, and to a degree Ammuuria, dependent on russian fossil fuels.

Is pootin so clever?
Or is the west so dumb? :scratch:

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25 Feb 2022, 10:15 pm

Misslizard wrote:

If Biden doesn’t do well in this crisis the next POTUS will be hawkish, it’s setting us up for Rotten Tom Cotton.
President Cotton.
It sounds just awful.

Today I have heard that using some criteria, Biden's poll rating is worse than Trump's.
Depending on who the republicans choose (please not trump, ffs) the GOP might be a run in, in the next election.
Too far down the road to take these predictions too serious at this stage, of course.

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