Tears for Ukraine, Sanctions for Russia, Yawns for Yemen.

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You missed my point.

Since when do you insert a Fox News article here, especially after you have bagged me for literally years for using Sky News reports?
The word "hypocrisy" comes to mind.

That's my point, This scenario of complete economic collapse means fox news is starting to make sense. In any case I was responding to Tulsi Gabbard not Tucker Carlson.

As far as I remember, they also "predicted" complete economic collapse over covid lockdowns.
If your economy is that prone to collapse, you're doing economy wrong.

I'm saying it from a country that has just accepted 5% worth of population as refugees in three weeks, lost significant part of workpower in form of Ukrainians returning to fight, closed half of the airspace and experiences rampant inflation. It's really not nearly as bad as allowing a bully state to get what they want with methods taken from WWII.

I think Pepe posted on another thread that Biden and Putin might be willing to sit down and talk. It is a concern that Zalensky us using inflammatory language that only serves to elongate the conflict (knowing that Putin's ego will be stung).

Putin can talk, sure.
And do exactly the opposite of what he declares.
Like, that he would never invade Ukraine.

Because it's "inflammatory" to say your civilians are getting bombed but it wasn't "inflamatory" to say that Ukrainians were "no real nation" and had no right to independence?

Is it "inflamatory" to yell that someone's raping you? Should you stay silent and take it so bystanders don't feel a discomfort?

I guess invading a country is not inflammatory but talking about it is. /s

I assume these are the people Putin claims are over-run Ukraine



I certainly don't want pay more for my cost of living (petrol, food) to keep neo-Nazis running amok in Ukraine.

Seems the BBC knew of this problem before Putin said anything about Ukraine being over-run by Nazis.

Perhaps Zelensky could grow some balls and rid Ukraine of these people.

It is only Putin's propaganda that these people are "running" Ukraine. Ukraine is multi-party and, while not illegal, these guys have negligible support.

This propaganda is used as an exceuse to do exactly what Nazi Germany did to Poland in 1939.

Nazi is as Nazi does.
Russia is running hyper-nationalist narrative to invade other countries, including using conventions-forbidden weapons (i.e. cluster bombs in cities) and tactics (i.e. targetting civilian infrastructure, shooting at evacuated civilians, city blocades).

Looks like there are some neo- nazis in Australia.Australia should be invaded next.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-rig ... _Australia

They are everywhere, unfortunately.

Actually if you watch the BBC documentary (VICE and ABC News Australia did identical ones) the influence of the AZOV guard were growing politically between 2014-2018 (when the documentary was made). What is most interesting is how politicians in Ukraine were accommodating them due to the secruity risk posed by separatists.and the spectre of the 2014 war.

My limited understanding of the news is that separatists in the occupied regions were growing nervous about the rise of AZOV and wanted the Russians to intervene to increase troops across their own borders. According to an ABC 4 corners documentary the separatists may have over-exaggerated or even staged a mock incursion to cause panic in Russia which may have precipitated Putin's decision.

It doesn't excuse the Russians nor is it the primary reason (Putin has been on war footing since 2014). But the picture that's emerging is more complex than poor innocent Ukrainians getting bombarded by evil Russians. The picture emerging is that Zelensky has allowed all manner of militia to be formed using the excuse they protect Ukraine. He must be partly to blame to allow Azov to arise.

Yep.
I don't see the attraction of being a fanatic on either side of the political divide.

Don't quote me, but I think "The Proud Boys" have been outlawed recently in Australia.
Either them or another supremacist group.

I guess it doesn't matter whether there are Nazis within the Ukranian government or not. It still doesn't justify the Russian invasion, nor when any country engages in pre-emptive wars, the U.S. included. There's nothing that justifies them.

Agreed.

Your Putin is using Mujahideen as well, the same type of people who he claimed to fight in Syria.
PS: It is not a typical behavior for official armies to grow beards and chant « Allahu akbar »; you never see Egyptian or Jordanian soldiers doing that for instance. This is an islamist behavior.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR ... e=youtu.be

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The winner parties aren’t the Nazis.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verkhovna_Rada

The dominating political parties in Ukraine are various flavors of pro-European centrists.
Nationalist Svoboda has exactly one seat (out of 450).
For comparison, pro-Russian "For Life" has 39.
The president is a natively Russian-speaking Jew and he won by a landslide.

So, no, any way you try to twist it, there are no "Nazis" ruling Ukraine. Ukrainians are just a nation that got invaded for a made-up exceuse.

I never said Nazis are ruling Ukraine but they certainly have been allowed to play a pivotal role in defending the borders. According all the news documentaries I quoted - BBC, VICE and ABC news, the Azov brigade is growing in popularity since 2014 and when the Russian invasion is over they will likely be rewarded for their service. No doubt an ideal recruitment propaganda for their movement,