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funeralxempire
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25 Mar 2022, 7:43 pm
25 Mar 2022, 7:50 pm
SkinnedWolf wrote:
Well, it looks like I'm taking the wrong tack on the "scout plane" issue.
I found some official statements that are more targeted:
02-25-2022
I found some official statements that are more targeted:
02-25-2022
Quote:
It is reported that at that time, the guided-missile destroyer "Hefei" and the amphibious dock landing ship "Jinggangshan" were sailing in the international waters of the South Pacific. The photos released by the Australian side show that the Australian P-8A patrol aircraft is targeting Chinese naval ships in the reconnaissance area. We have only seen photos of Chinese warships released by the Australian side, and it is unclear whether Australian military planes have conducted more dangerous close-range reconnaissance.
Australia, which has repeatedly "freedom of navigation" with the US military in the waters related to the South China Sea, should be aware that in international waters, ships of all countries have the right to exercise "freedom of navigation" in accordance with international law, and Australian reconnaissance planes are interfering with the normal operation of Chinese naval vessels in international waters. The PLA should be prepared for appropriate counter-attacks when sailing and the dangerous actions of "proximity reconnaissance". After all, if you have the guts to do it, you must dare to bear the anger.
Australia, which has repeatedly "freedom of navigation" with the US military in the waters related to the South China Sea, should be aware that in international waters, ships of all countries have the right to exercise "freedom of navigation" in accordance with international law, and Australian reconnaissance planes are interfering with the normal operation of Chinese naval vessels in international waters. The PLA should be prepared for appropriate counter-attacks when sailing and the dangerous actions of "proximity reconnaissance". After all, if you have the guts to do it, you must dare to bear the anger.
What nonsense.
Why would Australia want to provoke a nation with the biggest navy in the world?
Use your critical thinking skills.
The 2 Chinese warships were going through Australia's "Economic zone".
Of course, Australia was going to watch them.
And what weapons would a surveillance plane have against 2 Chinese warships?
Pure propaganda, sorry.
25 Mar 2022, 7:58 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
SkinnedWolf wrote:
I think it's a fairly obvious fact:
China has spent a lot of money to help some industries in Taiwan.
Taiwanese, for whatever reason, currently surpass mainland China's living standards on average.
If it is "unified", whether it will give preferential treatment to Taiwanese or allow them to have the same standard of living as mainland Chinese, it will cause a series of problems.
China has spent a lot of time stabilizing Hong Kong. Taiwan is a much bigger problem than Hong Kong.
China has spent a lot of money to help some industries in Taiwan.
Taiwanese, for whatever reason, currently surpass mainland China's living standards on average.
If it is "unified", whether it will give preferential treatment to Taiwanese or allow them to have the same standard of living as mainland Chinese, it will cause a series of problems.
China has spent a lot of time stabilizing Hong Kong. Taiwan is a much bigger problem than Hong Kong.
Are you aware that Chinese fighter planes and bombers are constantly invading Taiwanese air space to intimidate Taiwan into submission?
To be fair, that's a pretty common game for major powers to play. China does similar to other places and Russia and the US have been dancing that dance for decades.
I wasn't aware of that.
Do you have any links to support your point of view?
Australia *never* engages in that sort of thing, btw.
"Spy Planes" doesn't qualify as "military intimidation" in my book.
You've really never once heard of Americans intercepting Bears? They've been doing it since the '60s.
You're unaware of the American ElInt plane that crashed in China a decade or so ago?
It never happens because I'm ignorant of how common it is isn't exactly testimony in your favour Pepe. Folks who aren't informed about international affairs really shouldn't try to comment as though they possess credibility.
What part of:
Quote:
I wasn't aware of that.
Do you have any links to support your point of view?
Do you have any links to support your point of view?
Don't you understand?
Again you misrepresent me.
My saying I wasn't aware of it and asking for a link is not a denial.
It is asking for clarification.
Your desire to find fault with me is overriding your reality.
I think you really need to focus on your comprehension skills.
The link you provided is no evidence.
Please provide "evidence" that other countries deliberately invade other country's air space.
Also, "Interceptors" *intercept.
They would intercept planes from *other* countries invading sovereign air space.
Seriously. <sigh>
Quote:
Interceptor aircraft - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Interceptor_aircraft
An interceptor aircraft, or simply interceptor, is a type of fighter aircraft designed specifically for the defensive interception role against an attacking ..
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Interceptor_aircraft
An interceptor aircraft, or simply interceptor, is a type of fighter aircraft designed specifically for the defensive interception role against an attacking ..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interceptor_aircraft
26 Mar 2022, 2:56 am
Pepe wrote:
Use your critical thinking skills.
Sorry, Pepe and Cyberdad. I'm not that familiar with Australia.
I can name Australia's regional climate or how many special animals are there. But I don't know anything about Australia's military and politics.
So all I can do is move. I am incapable of making any personal assessment on this.
this link from an semi-official media. One of the claims is that the relevant Chinese naval fleet was delivering supplies to Tonga (a violent volcanic disaster occurred in Tonga at that time). And it is believed that the reconnaissance plane used a very direct point of view to scout the warship, citing the photos released by Australia (I am not familiar with the relevant international law, and I do not know whether this move is reasonable in the high seas. Obviously Chinese warships do not like it).
Regarding the long-term US military operations near China. I can find a range of evidence from Chinese sources.
Given that the United States has always been the CCP’s main competitor, evidence from Chinese sources is likely not objective on this issue.
So I don't cite them for now.
Last edited by SkinnedWolf on 26 Mar 2022, 3:12 am, edited 1 time in total.
26 Mar 2022, 3:06 am
Pepe wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
I expected a invasion of Taiwan to be concurrent with a Russian invasion of Ukraine and possible a North Korean attack.
I don't know about North Korea but Taiwan has been under war footing for quite some time.
Why would xi attack Nth Korea?
He has so few friends as it is.
Sherlock...he obviously means an attack BY North Korea. Not an attack ON North Korea.
The statement was ambiguous.
*That* was the joke, Einstein.
So it was failed joke? Not a failure at being serious? My bad.
But how was the statement ambiguous?
"Korean" is an adjective. It means "belonging to Korea".
So a "North Korean attack" can only mean "an attack instigated by North Korea".
If you hear someone start a sentence with "Republican attacks..." you expect the next thing to be "on Joe Biden".
If you hear "Democrat attacks .." you expect to the sentence to end with "on Trump", or with "on Mitch McConnel".
Wouldnt you?
If you hear "terrorist attack" you would assume that its the terrorists who are doing the attacking. Wouldnt you? You would jump to the conclusion that the speaker was talking special forces being sent to ...do an attack ON terrorists. Would you?
I dunno ...maybe you Aussies do grammar differently than we do.
And even if there were exceptions that I failing to think of (like "bank robbery" always means the bank is the victim of the robbery, not doing the robbery- even though banks can and do do robbery!. Lol. Like foisting high APR credit cards on you) in the context- it was obvious which thing he meant in the post in question.
26 Mar 2022, 5:13 am
SkinnedWolf wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Use your critical thinking skills.
Sorry, Pepe and Cyberdad. I'm not that familiar with Australia.
I can name Australia's regional climate or how many special animals are there. But I don't know anything about Australia's military and politics.
So all I can do is move. I am incapable of making any personal assessment on this.
Our navey is non-existent compared to China. (Please don't tell. Xi
)We are starting to build up our *defences* because of the CCP's "Wolf Warrior" aggression towards Australia.
The Chinese diplomat here in Australia threatened Australia with a kinetic war if we didn't behave ourselves.
There was even talk about sending missiles our way.
You are aware of all the trade sanctions the CCP has put on Australia because Morrison wanted an investigation about the origins of the coronavirus, right?
The CCP is being belligerent towards Australia causing our military buildup.
SkinnedWolf wrote:
this link from an semi-official media. One of the claims is that the relevant Chinese naval fleet was delivering supplies to Tonga (a violent volcanic disaster occurred in Tonga at that time). And it is believed that the reconnaissance plane used a very direct point of view to scout the warship, citing the photos released by Australia (I am not familiar with the relevant international law, and I do not know whether this move is reasonable in the high seas. Obviously Chinese warships do not like it).
The Chinese warships probably did send supplies to Tonga, but from memory, one of the ships was an information-gathering vessel.
The incident happened in *international* waters and no one had the right to disallow surveillance on either side.
26 Mar 2022, 5:15 am
naturalplastic wrote:
Pepe wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
I expected a invasion of Taiwan to be concurrent with a Russian invasion of Ukraine and possible a North Korean attack.
I don't know about North Korea but Taiwan has been under war footing for quite some time.
Why would xi attack Nth Korea?
He has so few friends as it is.
Sherlock...he obviously means an attack BY North Korea. Not an attack ON North Korea.
The statement was ambiguous.
*That* was the joke, Einstein.
So it was failed joke? Not a failure at being serious? My bad.
It wasn't a "failed Joke".
It was a failure on your part to appreciate my joke.
You are forgiven.
26 Mar 2022, 5:42 am
26 Mar 2022, 5:56 am
Pepe wrote:
The incident happened in *international* waters and no one had the right to disallow surveillance on either side.
Now I believe this is indeed an illegal stress response by the Chinese military in a tense situation. If I'm not missing too much, I don't see "how China respects international law" as often shown in other propaganda. This would be a stain.
Pepe wrote:
Our navey is non-existent compared to China. (Please don't tell. Xi )
)really? I will tell my watchers right away and convince Xi to start a war of aggression against Australia right away. <joke>
No, I don't like him. After he came to power, the propaganda of those semi-official media took on more great-power chauvinism. And I believe that the United States will respond quickly to this. China also cannot afford to be sanctioned across the board.
Yes, I have heard of the sanctions against Australia. I didn't find any reviews from the media with an official background on this. The following is from unofficial media:
Quote:
Percy Allen pointed out that although it is very rare, it cannot be forgotten that it is Australia who took the lead in targeting China, and China will do this! Percy Allen recalled that after the two countries signed a free trade agreement, the Australian authorities blocked more than 100 Chinese imports by means of anti-dumping duties that did not comply with WTO rules; they were also the first in the world to ban Huawei from participating in 5G networks; the Australian authorities condemned China Seizing a disputed coral atoll in the South China Sea while ignoring Trump’s breach of a series of international agreements; Australian authorities barring China from advancing its interests and influence in Australia, but turning a blind eye to similar actions by other countries; Australian authorities Almost any investment from China is prohibited, as is bilateral cooperation between state governments and universities.
According to my observations, at least in Chinese civil politics, they are very dissatisfied with Australia being the vanguard of the US against China. (An example of the same old tune, false accusations of genocide in Xinjiang)
About the jokes you tell. I'd use a similar twisted syntax pun in an NT-filled environment. But that won't work too well here (I tried). "Telling jokes" and "not understanding jokes" should be allowed to coexist peacefully.
26 Mar 2022, 6:44 am
SkinnedWolf wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Our navey is non-existent compared to China. (Please don't tell. Xi )
)really? I will tell my watchers right away and convince Xi to start a war of aggression against Australia right away. <joke>
26 Mar 2022, 10:23 am
