Why Guns Must Be Banned Now!

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A government must lead by example. If a government is developing weapons of mass destruction, what right has it to ban an individual from a weapon of lesser destruction?
One must lead by example.
What right does one country have to say to another "You must not develop nuclear weapons" when the country saying it has thousands of the things? They have no right whatsoever to say that to another country unless they first dissarm all their own nuclear weapons so they can't be used. Then they have the rights to say to another that they are not to develop them.

Always lead by example or say nothing. To say something when one oneself is guilty is hypocritical.

So for America. Unless you dissarm your police, how can you ever dissarm your people? Certainly give police protective equipment but guns?

The issue is that either everyone is allowed to carry guns or no one is and if no one is then it should start by example. No one has the right to say to another "You must not do this" unless the one saying it leads by example.

^ The issue is personal gun ownership, and how/if that should be regulated, even just a little bit, to help prevent/reduce these appalling mass shootings.

Police guns are heavily regulated (or I hope so ).
Private guns in USA are not.

That is more about discipline and upbringing than about the weapons themselves as if one wants to kill others there are many ways to do it.
This thread is specifically about banning guns.

Sure, I'll bite.

I don't own one but I can tell you where you went wrong.

So let's say you have your argumentative part down. What you don't have as a description of the corrective action that you're arguing for.

It'll be somewhat a repetition to what I had already explained in this thread, and like before, to write a law you have to describe the operation of the thing you're trying to ban. To do that you have to understand what an AR-15 is, and exactly what separates it from any other chunk of metal.
I'll save myself the effort of typing on a phone and get into the only bit that matters. It's a gas-operated rifle at it's core, everything else is cosmetic.
Trying to ban gas-operated action would be too restrictive as it covers much of the civilian firearms market, including products that have sporting applications, you won't be able to pass something like that.
So laws end up covering cosmetic features like grips and stocks, outside of the operation of the action, like was done in the 1994 ban. The result was, not much of an impact, as all you end up with are rifles that look different but otherwise work the same.

Since these mass shootings are, as the article indicates, AR-15 driven - why not increase the age of ownership for that weapon, have mandated training, increase background checks, close the gun show loophole, and so on.

Personally I'd like to see a total ban of unregulated, public ownership of that weapon. There are doubtless other weapons of a similar type/nature/capabilities that could also be included but for the purposes of this thread, I'll stay with the AR-15.

Sure - guns for sports use, self defense, hunting etc I can understand (but I think there needs to be a better control of the sheer unlimited proliferation of these things) - but an AR-15? C'mon...

But few guns are quite so efficient at killing several people at once than, say, an AR-15 so let's start with that.

How far do you think these mass killing events would have gone if the shooter was armed instead with a knife, a bow and arrow, a crossbow - or even a "conventional" gun? (sorry, I don't know the terminology - a Glock pistol perhaps?)

You're still not understanding what an AR-15 is. There are hundreds of manufacturers of a clone of that design, each with it's own name.

You're arguing but aren't describing what you're trying to ban.

What I'm saying is, go ahead and try writing an actual law, how would it read, let's see it.

You need to really keep in mind the fact that historically manufacturers modify their product to conform to new laws. Would you be able to write something they can't get around of?

There were hundreds of manufacturers of an "IBM-Compatible PC" back in the day but we had no problem with identifying all of them as "PCs".
They were identifiable as conforming to a basic capability - could the same thing not apply to the AR-15 and their "perform-alikes"?

You think I'd be in a thread here if I could do that?

The issue is fraught with difficulties - there is clearly no easy "one size fits all" solution - but a reintroduction of the legislation that was let slip and die (Trump? - or earlier?) might be a start.
Some form of regulation seems a popular concept with the majority of Americans (or so I've read).

I'd love to see your attempt at banning the PC then.

I'll take your ban for a challenge, to sell a computer where you have such a ban in effect.

I'm fully qualified to do just that, having an actual Computer Engineering degree, and being a gainfully employed engineer in the industry, and having run a computer hardware business in the past.

Take the PC ban as a mental exercise, maybe you'll understand why gun bans in America are always futile.

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Yawn, A Ban on Assault Weapons Is gonna Lessen
The Tools Available For Mass Murders, Obviously.

Yawn, Raising the Age From 18 to 21
on the Purchase of Any Gun Is Gonna Lessen
The Tools Available For Mass Murders For Kids

Under 21, Who Make That Last Minute Impulsive
Buy, Like Candy At A Store, To Kill 20 Kids or So in an Elementary School...

It's a 'No Brainer', Yet 'Religion' Doesn't Have to make Sense; Particularly in A Place
Like i Live, Where the Sheriff Gets on TV and Directs, "Shoot the Person" Who Breaks into
Your Home (No Questions Asked) To Save the County Money And They'll Even Provide

Classes to Improve
Your Aim to Kill the
Person Dead Who Breaks
Into Your Home to Save the
County Money, No Matter Who They are....

In this Place, Where i Live that Once Held the Record
for the Most So-Called 'Christian Churches' Per Capita,

There is No 'Jesus Street;' Yet There is An Entire Neighborhood
With Half A Million Dollar Homes Where Every Street Is named After

A Rifle Manufacturer Where God Is Gun And the State is Actually Shaped

Like A Revolver

And i Live in the
Barrel of the Gun
Close to the tip Yet
Only With A Frigging Rampage
Free Dance in Public of 16,717 Miles
in 105 Months; And Hehe A Free Verse
Poetry Spree Globally AS Such for 10.5 MiLLioN
Words in 105 Months Now too; It's True, Different People

Have Different 'Religions'.

There is NO REAL RELIGION OF PEACE
OR LOVE WHERE i Live; The REAL RELIGION

IS IGNORANCE AND GUnS iGNoRANCE AND GUNS

(And True, Money and Stuff For Who has the Biggest
Four Wheel Drive, Camper, And Or Boat Rotting Now

In the Back Yard, Front Yard, And Or Truck Without
A Home of a Double Car Garage All Filled with
Walmart CR8P They'll Likely Never Even Frigging

Use until
the Next
Garage Sell
Flea Market on the Lawn Comes...)

NO DIFFERENT REALLY overall THAN FORCING LITTLE GIRLS RAPED
BY POTENTIAL BIG DADDY'S OR PROTESTANT/CATHOLIC LEADERS
TO CARRY 'THEiR SPAWN' TO TERM LIKE ANY OTHER COUNTRY NOW

AND OR
RELIGION/
CULTURE/
PHILOSOPHY

THAT BREEDS
WOMEN AGAINST
THEIR WILL FROM
CHILDHOOD Just

Livestock Cattle/Pigs
And the Such From Human "Animal Farms"...

Perhaps the Latest Elementary School Slaughter
of 'the Lambs' Might Deter Open Carry of Assault Weapons

Without A Permit

In this State;

Yet Maybe Not as
the Governor Here,
DeSaTaNiS, Said He

Would Have Vetoed
The 'Red Flag Law' Bill After
the Last Big School Slaughter

If He was the 'Big Man' With
"Little Man Syndrome" Then...

You Know What; i Don't Have to Carry
A Gun, Proficient Enough At Martial Arts
Leg Pressing Up to 1520 Pounds, Still at
Turning Early Social Security Age of 62 on
Monday June 6th; Just One Martial Arts Kick From

Me to A Head
Could Surely
End A Life in

Self-Defense;

Yet You 'See,' i am
Human Enough, Meek

Enough, to Use Love, Peace, And Wit Instead
of Brawn And Guns; Yep Most Dudes Who

Don't Have 'Little Man Syndrome' and Are
Actually 'Fully Human Peace Love' 'See'/Do ThiS Way too

WHere Meek Actually Means Being Human Enough

to Use Peace
And Love

And God
Yes Wit

Instead; Yes,

Fearless Love

And Peace; Yes,

As A SMaRT Dove;

Too Bad More Folks
Don't Train In Martial
Arts to get comfy Enough
in their own SKin to not be afraid...

Just the Way You Carry Yourself;

Just the Way You are Obviously Fearless

Is Gun
Enough
And Man
And or Woman
Enough for me...

My Religion is Actually Living
And Loving it All; I have Nothing
Against Folks With Guns Who Believe
They Need Them to Defend their Lives;

Yet Indeed,

Yes, There is
A Better Way to Love Life in Greater Peace...

With Enough Slaughter, The Laws Will Change...

Yawn, Meanwhile, The God of Gun And All the Streets
That Gun is Named After Continues to Rule Many 'Souls of Folks' here...

No Different really than Churches That Applaud Little Girls Raped, Must Be Forced
into Breeding the Children of Rapists; No Different really than Churches That Protect

Rapists/Pedophiles Who Are the Leaders There; No Different really Than Churches That
Have No Pandemic Protections During the Peaks of Pandemic Killing Days; No Different than

The Reality

That A Worst
Pandemic is the
Human Ignorance

Through All Our Recorded
HiSToRY WHeRE Ignorance

Harms, Rapes, Maims, And Kills Most...

Rational Gun Controls Will Be Legislated As

Soon As Folks Find A Different Religion And God Where i Live

Than The God
Of Guns, Money,
And Rotting Walmart Stuff And the Such...

As 'They' Say/Do Guns, Money, Boats, Campers,
And Four Wheel Drives With No Homes of
Double Car Garages, Filled With Human Junk

THeiR

"God's
Country"
Just the Way It is...

'Florida Men' Just Getting THeir Way...

Yep, THere is Equal Opportunity for Ignorance here...

Yep Sure 'Florida Men And Or Women' too in A Place Where
Folks Just
Don't Care...

Meanwhile
i Practice
A Different
Naked, Enough, Whole,
Complete Religion of Loving it All DarK Thru LiGHT;

i BeWare of 'the Locals;' Yet i Could/Can/Will/Do Get ALong With
Even 'the DEvil' If He and or She, were me Enough, to Survive at Least In Real
HeLL ON EartH

Within;

Already
Been THere,
Done it; Most
Folks Here, Ain't
Really Been to the Valley Bottom
or the Mountain Top Yet Now; They
Haven't Even Left THeir 'Front Porch' Yet...

Grinning And 'Baring'
ALL oF IT; Meanwhile
Overall, My Neighbors

Keep Me All Safe
Stocked Up With All
Their 'Weapons of "Mass" Death';

Yawn, Just Another Day in 'The Good Life'...

Sadly, So Many Humans Are Mastered By THeir Tools...

'Things' Would Be A Lot Different, iF 'They' Ever Become
Naked, Enough, Whole,

Complete;

Basically
Just Another
Part of All that is "God Israel"

Just Loving it All As DArK
BRinGS LiGHT

As DarK iS LiGHT;

'Eve,' Pass The Popcorn;
A Garden of Love/Peace is Patiently
Waiting For me Now; And Don't Worry
'Eve' About Washing any ClotheS, heHe...

And to Be Clear, i Don't Expect These
Words to Make A God Damned Difference

to Anyone

Yet me;

Yet True
That's Enough
For me, Once Again,
Naked, Enough, Whole, Complete;

'They' Will Have THeir Hell in A Hand Basket As
They Love

of
Guns
And Stuff...

i Choose Roses;
Yes i'm Practically A State FLoWeR;

i Am A Very Colorful FLoWeR, Hehe FOR REAL,

From A County And Even A Church Named After 'Saint Rose'...

Other than that Better Get Ready to Go to 'Clothed Church' one Day soon
i might be on Time Now hehe...

Even Sooner Than Soon...

Meanwhile,

'The Naked Garden' Awaits,
A Place WHeRE i Sure aS Hell
Need no F iN 'Florida Man Gun'..

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Guns are just tools. It is the users that are the problem.
Surprizingly in the history of the human race, apart from Godly acts, the one "Tool" used that has killed more people than any other by far is not a gun and even if one put every single human death by gun together, it only amounts to around three quarters of the death rates the figures that this other tool has claimed... And this other tool is not officially classed as a weapon but has been used as one.

The guns the police seize don’t seem to be.Our crooked county at it again.
https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/202 ... iser-says/

Actually, both statements are false. Also, sometimes it's hard to tell if someone is stating (wrong) facts or just their opinions when not disclosing such.

Police departments buy military surplus equipment. It's not so much regulation, as much as what standard firearms and cartridges police departments adopt. For example police can use expanding ammunition (hollow points), that are banned for international armed conflicts under Geneva convention, meaning in a way their firearms are even less regulated than the military's.

Saying that civilian firearms in US are unregulated is 100% false. Some of the easiest and best examples are the 1934 National Firearms Act which provided classification for types of firearms based on their functional characteristics, and introduced a mandatory licensing requirement based on the classification (assault rifles and machine guns are Title 2 and require federal licensing, a very thorough and rigorous process). The NFA is a really good practical set of laws that remained relevant and effective due to the fact they focus on the functional aspect. The 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, is a really crappy Clinton-era legislature that focused on patterns of cosmetic features of firearms like stocks and grips rather their actual functional aspects, which as you might imagine proved rather ineffective, in the sense that the manufacturers immediately adapted to the law and to not include the specific sets of cosmetic features.
Here I have provided not only examples of laws regulating firearms in US, but also examples of good ones vs bad.

Facts.

When the constitution allows citizens to arm themselves and local politicians and law enforcement encourage citizens to use their guns then this sort of thing happens. Delivery driver forgets duck sauce and get's his brains blown by irate customer.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/02/nyre ... rrest.html

As Forest Gump once said....Stupid is as stupid does

The duck sauce was supposed to be a hint for him on what to do. Maybe after a reset he'll remember the sauce and realize he should duck before getting shot.