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20 Jun 2022, 4:37 am

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It's not Catholic. Neither is the Jolly Roger flag. What flags do you think the diocese allows?

Why would a diocese regulate flags and banners displayed in its community?

For the same reason any institution regulates those things.

So here we are:
An institution of regulations instead of a community of faith.

The message they're sending is: "You can't simultanously identify as Catholic and support minority laws."
Is that message theologically correct? Based on the Gospels, I believe it's not.

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20 Jun 2022, 4:39 am

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That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You're making up silly nonsense at this point.

On a serious note, the diocese is using their own interoperation of scripture in opposing gay rights which is what everyone knows is the reason why they say the LGBTQI flag doesn't reflect catholic values.

BLM doesn't reflect catholic values because (as I pointed out) a lot their members are racist republicans.

See Glitch, it's not rocket science.

A diocese isn't autonomous. Name some flags the RCC has allowed to represent them. You're going with the premise that the RCC is only restricting a few certain flags. So what flags does it allow? Show where the prejudice exists.

The RCC is okay with flying the _________ flag, but not the LGBTQ or BLM flag.

Fill in the blank.

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20 Jun 2022, 4:58 am

magz wrote:

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magz wrote:

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It's not Catholic. Neither is the Jolly Roger flag. What flags do you think the diocese allows?

Why would a diocese regulate flags and banners displayed in its community?

For the same reason any institution regulates those things.

So here we are:
An institution of regulations instead of a community of faith.

The message they're sending is: you can't simultanously identify as Catholic and support minority laws.

More like you can't represent the Catholic church with non-Catholic symbology.

You might as well argue they should have to fly an Islamic symbol flag. Or a Wiccan pentagram flag. Or an autism awareness flag. Can you imagine the autistic community insisting that everyone needs to fly an autism flag?

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20 Jun 2022, 5:01 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:

More like you can't represent the Catholic church with non-Catholic symbology.

Several Ukrainian flags are currently being proudly displayed at the entrance of my (Catholic) church.

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You might as well argue they should have to fly an Islamic symbol flag. Or a Wiccan pentagram flag. Or an autism awareness flag. Can you imagine the autistic community insisting that everyone needs to fly an autism flag?

Who advocated for rainbow and/or BLM flags to be mandatory for everyone?
AFAIK, a school community decided to display them and the bishops want to ban them. No mention of making them mandatory anywhere.

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20 Jun 2022, 5:15 am

magz wrote:

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More like you can't represent the Catholic church with non-Catholic symbology.

Several Ukrainian flags are currently being proudly displayed at the entrance of my (Catholic) church.

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National flags have always been allowed by the RCC.

Cyberdad was saying school funding should be eliminated based on not flying those flags.

Do you think the bishops would only ban LGBTQ and BLM flags, but allow other flags of a similar nature?

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20 Jun 2022, 5:23 am

I don't share Cyberdad's opinion, actually I find it rather fringe. Apart from all general flag regulations, displaying flags for funding would most likely have nothing to do with improving actual situation of minority members.

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20 Jun 2022, 5:27 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:

Do you think the bishops would only ban LGBTQ and BLM flags, but allow other flags of a similar nature?

Flags? I don't know.
Banners? Not a separate occurence in Poland:

There's plenty of it every elections, only conservative candidates.

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20 Jun 2022, 5:47 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:

Do you think the bishops would only ban LGBTQ and BLM flags, but allow other flags of a similar nature?

Oh for Pete's sake, who in the catholic church decides what flag the school should fly?? It's freedom of expression. That's part of American culture.

Stop pretending you don;t know the issue, quite clearly the local people in this school are showing solidarity with gay and black people. That's the spirit the dioceses is trying to quash for the benefit of some robed dinosaurs and their MAGA congregations.

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20 Jun 2022, 5:50 am

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I don't share Cyberdad's opinion, actually I find it rather fringe.

Oh! what happened to the Polish spirit of

It's not fringe. Many in Australia have been calling for defunding of religious schools who take my tax money and practice elitism and discrimination.

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20 Jun 2022, 5:59 am

Solidarity spirit? It's complicated. Right now, this spirit is active supporting Ukraine despite all our divisions.

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Many in Australia have been calling for defunding of religious schools who take my tax money and practice elitism and discrimination.

1. Not giving public money to elitist organisations;
2. Requiring display of some symbols to get funding.

I find the two separate issues.
The only symbols that I believe should be required for public fundings are symbols of the funding communities - e.g. state, city, supporting organizations.
Solidarity symbols (e.g. minority symbols or Ukrainian flags in Polish schools) should always be an act of good will of individuals and communities, never a requirement - or they lose their value of solidarity symbols.

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20 Jun 2022, 6:02 am

cyberdad wrote:

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Do you think the bishops would only ban LGBTQ and BLM flags, but allow other flags of a similar nature?

There's no point in discussing matters with you. You just make stuff up and then stick with it.

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20 Jun 2022, 6:04 am

magz wrote:

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Do you think the bishops would only ban LGBTQ and BLM flags, but allow other flags of a similar nature?

Flags? I don't know.
Banners? Not a separate occurence in Poland:

There's plenty of it every elections, only conservative candidates.

Are you saying that's comparable to BLM and Pride flags? And therefore shows that only BLM and Pride flags are being disallowed?

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20 Jun 2022, 6:15 am

Don't you find election posters on church property even more inappropriate than minority symbols?

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20 Jun 2022, 6:23 am

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Don't you find election posters on church property more inappropriate than minority symbols?

I think they're two different things. In America I can't think of any church I've seen displaying political candidate banners or signs. As far as I know priests and ministers aren't even supposed to verbally endorse a candidate. So the situation in Poland regarding this is foreign to me.

But getting back to flags symbolizing a minority, what minority flags has the Catholic church ever displayed?

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20 Jun 2022, 6:33 am

You are very focused on the form of flag.
Minority flags are a very recent thing, so you can't expect many historical precedents because they didn't exist before.

If these symbols had any other form - say, posters - and the rest of the story was exactly the same, would it make a difference to you?

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20 Jun 2022, 6:58 am

magz wrote:

In my opinion it wouldn't make any difference. Of course I hope we're sticking with public displays in any form.

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