Nick Sandmann Loses Defamation Lawsuits Against CBS, others

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29 Jul 2022, 9:12 pm

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Fault belongs with the person who edited down that video and wrote the nasty label on it. That person was just a person spreading what they thought was cheeky gossip, not realizing there is no such thing on social media.


I'm not sure if you remember the initial reaction on social media but it was one of shock and disgust. Even Covington Highschool took swift action blaming the students for their behavior. Think why the judge awarded little Sandmann no money (not even 1 penny). Any reasonable person would take on face value the kid and his friends were acting like out of control spoilt brats. The kids knew it, the school knew it, the parents knew it., The MAGA lawyers who magically appeared like leprechauns afterward to represent the little MAGA hat wearing Nicholas wanted to minimise the bad press by using an old trick trump was using which was to blame the free press. It was all a ruse. Had nothing about spreading gossip.



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29 Jul 2022, 9:14 pm

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I made this point before, but I think it was hilarious to believe that CNN gave two s**ts about the Native American man being disrespected.


The right wing press began a witch hunt against Phillips in order to discredit him, All the mud they dug up about him had nothing to do with why the boys racially vilified him. In colloquial terms it's called a red herring.



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29 Jul 2022, 9:25 pm

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I made this point before, but I think it was hilarious to believe that CNN gave two s**ts about the Native American man being disrespected.


The right wing press began a witch hunt against Phillips in order to discredit him, All the mud they dug up about him had nothing to do with why the boys racially vilified him. In colloquial terms it's called a red herring.


And again, you missed my entire point. You may be correct, but doesn't negate the fact that CNN, MSNBC, etc, don't care about Native Americans. They're too invested in maintaining the corporate state, hence the reason the DPAL protests were largely ignored by them.
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29 Jul 2022, 9:27 pm

The whole thing was two ordinary citizens have a passive-aggressive standoff for a couple of minutes and then go their separate ways.



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29 Jul 2022, 9:29 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
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I made this point before, but I think it was hilarious to believe that CNN gave two s**ts about the Native American man being disrespected.


The right wing press began a witch hunt against Phillips in order to discredit him, All the mud they dug up about him had nothing to do with why the boys racially vilified him. In colloquial terms it's called a red herring.


And again, you missed my entire point. You may be correct, but doesn't negate the fact that CNN, MSNBC, etc, don't care about Native Americans. They're too invested in maintaining the corporate state, hence the reason the DPAL protests were largely ignored by them.
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I don't dispute what you are saying, But at the end of the day the free press had a story, Fox was entitled to mud sling Phillips as much as the Washington post expressing disgust at the Covington school boys. It's the all the same constitutional freedoms that are tied up to the stupid little red hat Sandmann was wearing on his little head.



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29 Jul 2022, 9:30 pm

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The whole thing was two ordinary citizens have a passive-aggressive standoff for a couple of minutes and then go their separate ways.


Which means no money for Sandmann for pretending to play the victim. Ironically the same thing MAGAs accuse minorities off. Seems like Sandmann isn't worthy of wearing the red cap :lol:



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29 Jul 2022, 9:40 pm

We don't really have a free press in this country any longer.


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29 Jul 2022, 9:44 pm

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We don't really have a free press in this country any longer.


Besides the point, the press are free to publish what they want without fear of being cancelled. That's the irony of Sandmann's move, it goes against what his little red hat stood for, freedom of speech, anti-cancel culture and it's protected in your constitution.



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29 Jul 2022, 9:51 pm

They're not free to publish anthing they want, though. Certain narratives will not be tolerated by corporate media. The corporate take over of our government and media occurred ages ago.

A couple of books worth reading on this subject:

'Manufacturing Consent' and 'Free The Press: The Death of Jounalism In America.'


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29 Jul 2022, 10:23 pm

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"Philips at fault." -- obvious


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Not sure how he was actually at fault

Uninvited Philips walked up to them not the other way around

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Only thing that might have been irritating was him banging his drum

Only thing? A few minutes earlier you had the Black Hebrews saying all sorts of vile stuff about them, their religion, their mothers. So they were pretty irritated before he approached them uninvited.

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The whole thing was two ordinary citizens have a passive-aggressive standoff for a couple of minutes and then go their separate ways.

Yep.

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It’s not about standing,it’s the the rude smirk and attitude.
I was raised better, you don’t disrespect the elderly.If either of my children behaved that way towards an elder ,then they would have been grounded for weeks.Certainly not praised.No phone, no friends, extra chores.

I was raised not to walk up to people much younger than me uninvited making noise. I was raised not to publically call for the harassment of people of any age never mind much younger than me. I was raised not to make horrible judgments about a person's character based on a few minutes of evidence.

And if I was his dad I would pull him out of that school immediately and try if could to sue them for gross negligence. They never should have been put in that situation. Once they were confronted by the Black Hebrews they should have been pulled out of there immediately. And the school rushed to judgment about what happened just like the media outlets.


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29 Jul 2022, 10:27 pm

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It’s not about standing,it’s the the rude smirk and attitude.

I think you're old enough to have learned that you have to observe an individual for a while to know what constitutes a smile vs a smirk from that individual. It's actually possible for CNN to be wrong, and in this case intentionally wrong.

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I was raised better, you don’t disrespect the elderly.

You may have surmised by now that I don't give away (or take) points just for being Native American, African American, Asian American Hispanic American or whatever. Americans are Americans. I'm German American but I don't put on an SS uniform and sing “Panzerlied” or "SS marschiert in Feindesland" to people at the top of my lungs.
Philips was 63, not that far into the elderly camp. His conduct could easily be considered hostile, given the tensions at the place and time.

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If either of my children behaved that way towards an elder ,then they would have been grounded for weeks. Certainly not praised. No phone, no friends, extra chores.

What, no bullwhip????
Certainly such a heinous act is deserving of a taste o' the lash.
Hey, it was you, not me, that dragged your kids into this.

Honestly, blind partisanship like this getting to be on par with someone else I could mention.

Damn, how I wish I'd come back for the Rittenhouse “debates” which had to have been fast and furious here. It would have been such fun. :twisted:


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30 Jul 2022, 1:32 am

If someone walks up to me beating a drum ,and it was annoying( or frightening) I would walk away and not stand there smirking.Common sense.
Especially if I thought there was any hostility. So the boy is either rude or stupid, maybe both.
Why would I use a bullwhip on any kid?
Never said anything about it.
Partisanship? Never once have I said anything about his hat or that he instigated anything.I don’t care what kind of hat he was wearing.
If he was a democrat ,I’d say the same thing about him.
The old man was beating a drum in public, not waving a big stick.It was a public demonstration ,so he could walk up to anyone he liked beating his drum.He didn’t accost the boy walking down the street minding his own business.You can look at the expressions on the faces of the other boys in the picture and get an idea of what kind of little s**ts they are.
Probably go home and beat up the Downs kid next door.
What horrible judgement of his character did I make?That he was rude?Oh how awful of me.Will he sue me next?
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30 Jul 2022, 4:06 am

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Philips was 63, not that far into the elderly camp. His conduct could easily be considered hostile, given the tensions at the place and time. :


Are you taking drugs? he was chanting and playing a drum, in what universe is that hostile? the kids were the ones who were being hostile.

Sandmann and his mob of rowdys have probably never seen an actual native American before in their all-white school and the only black people they've seen is on TV or the black kids they call racist names on opposition basketball teams,

Their behaviour is identical to the all-white private school boys I went to in the 1970s and early 1980s. They see somebody different in public they become an unruly racist mob. It's only because fellow spoilt child brat and orange haired troll gave his his support to them using his status as POTUS that this who whole thing had oxygen.



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30 Jul 2022, 4:10 am

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If someone walks up to me beating a drum ,and it was annoying( or frightening) I would walk away and not stand there smirking.Common sense.l:


I've probably asked this several times but where were their teachers? I have grave misgivings over a school that promotes Trumpism and marching in a politically charged protest. It wouldn't surprise me if the teachers were standing by snickering at Phillips as well.



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30 Jul 2022, 4:13 am

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Yes, CNN started the fire by only presenting part of the story. I can't they have any viewers left at all.

To place the blame on whomever edited the video doesn't wash. CNN were fully aware of what they were doing. Anybody who believes otherwise...well, I got a bridge to sell you.


I don't watch CNN so I can't comment specifically on that network, and I'm annoyed by the implication in your post.

I can say with 100% clarity that CNN had NOTHING to do with the explosive meme and video that showed up numerous times on my Facebook page within MINUTES of the incident. There was a traceable provenance.


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30 Jul 2022, 4:17 am

cyberdad wrote:
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The whole thing was two ordinary citizens have a passive-aggressive standoff for a couple of minutes and then go their separate ways.


Which means no money for Sandmann for pretending to play the victim. Ironically the same thing MAGAs accuse minorities off. Seems like Sandmann isn't worthy of wearing the red cap :lol:


The problem was social and news media trying to turn nothing into something horrendous.