Teacher jailed for violating court order over a pronoun row

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07 Sep 2022, 5:24 pm

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If only the same held true for people in the healthcare field in the USA. Unfortunately I’ve read stories of states implementing laws granting medical doctors the right to refuse treatment to trans people based on religious beliefs - which is bizarre because I’ve yet to have anyone be able to quote the part of the bible that says Christians are meant to discriminate against trans people.


Yes this has been going on in healthcare for several decades. A mix of awful patients refusing the services of nurses or doctors of a particular background (even in emergency wards) all the way to health practitioners who lack event the remotest level of cultural sensitivity when dealing with non-mainstream patients.



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07 Sep 2022, 5:27 pm

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From the title of your post, I initially had believed this was supposed to have happened in America. As it didn't, I doubt there's any reason for anyone to lose sleep over this.


Why is everything so America-centered, to the point of you saying it doesn't worth losing sleep over something outside America?



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07 Sep 2022, 5:27 pm

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Another one! so I guess the upside of this is it filters out prejudiced teachers.

So teachers are being prejudiced for not capitulating to their students demanding they call them a new name they made up and referring to them by any one of 78 pronouns?

It will be quite interesting when 20 students must be referred to by 10 different individual pronouns.



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07 Sep 2022, 5:28 pm

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goldfish21 wrote:
If only the same held true for people in the healthcare field in the USA. Unfortunately I’ve read stories of states implementing laws granting medical doctors the right to refuse treatment to trans people based on religious beliefs - which is bizarre because I’ve yet to have anyone be able to quote the part of the bible that says Christians are meant to discriminate against trans people.


Yes this has been going on in healthcare for several decades. A mix of awful patients refusing the services of nurses or doctors of a particular background (even in emergency wards) all the way to health practitioners who lack event the remotest level of cultural sensitivity when dealing with non-mainstream patients.


Here, the discrimination in healthcare & ER’s that I can recall making the news is against Indigenous people - assuming that they’re alcoholics or addicts, and that if they are they’re not deserving of the same level of medical care as others.

Meanwhile, maybe buddy’s experiencing complications from diabetes and isn’t intoxicated at all. That sort of crap.


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07 Sep 2022, 5:30 pm

I would check out "1984' and 'Animal Farm' Goldfish. Those are two books that would give you a good understanding what I'm talking about.



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07 Sep 2022, 5:30 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
Another one! so I guess the upside of this is it filters out prejudiced teachers.

So teachers are being prejudiced for not capitulating to their students demanding they call them a new name they made up and referring to them by any one of 78 pronouns?

It will be quite interesting when 20 students must be referred to by 10 different individual pronouns.

Times change. I’m sure there was a time in American history where it was perfectly acceptable for all African American male students to be referred to as “boy,” but the thought of hearing that today sounds pretty cringey.

It’s really not that difficult to refer to people by their preferred pronouns. If it proves too difficult for a teacher to be respectful to their students, they should choose a different profession. The world still needs ditch diggers and fish gutters.


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07 Sep 2022, 5:31 pm

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I would check out "1984' and 'Animal Farm' Goldfish. Those are two books that would give you a good understanding what I'm talking about.

Do these books preach acceptance of bigotry? If so I’m not interested in the least bit.


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07 Sep 2022, 5:35 pm

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I would check out "1984' and 'Animal Farm' Goldfish. Those are two books that would give you a good understanding what I'm talking about.

Brave New World is also a good one.



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07 Sep 2022, 5:40 pm

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Hedly wrote:
I would check out "1984' and 'Animal Farm' Goldfish. Those are two books that would give you a good understanding what I'm talking about.

Do these books preach acceptance of bigotry? If so I’m not interested in the least bit.


Ha! I guess you don't have an interest in literature at all, do you?



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07 Sep 2022, 5:42 pm

When I was a high school student in the early 2000s we weren't dealing with any of that. I've met a lot of people later in life who hated school, and my experience was unexpectedly just very "normal", we even had lunch that didn't suck. I'd hate to be in grade school now. I graduated in a class of 500+, I don't recollect a single person who had difficulty conforming to their gender. That was just not a thing.



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07 Sep 2022, 5:44 pm

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Hedly wrote:
I would check out "1984' and 'Animal Farm' Goldfish. Those are two books that would give you a good understanding what I'm talking about.

Do these books preach acceptance of bigotry? If so I’m not interested in the least bit.


Ha! I guess you don't have an interest in literature at all, do you?

Not in hate literature if that’s what it is. And very little interest in fictional stories.


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07 Sep 2022, 5:46 pm

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When I was a high school student in the early 2000s we weren't dealing with any of that. I've met a lot of people later in life who hated school, and my experience was unexpectedly just very "normal", we even had lunch that didn't suck. I'd hate to be in grade school now. I graduated in a class of 500+, I don't recollect a single person who had difficulty conforming to their gender. That was just not a thing.

*was not a thing that any of them told you about or were comfortable disclosing.

The rates of transgenderism in humans likely haven’t changed much at all over millennia. People being comfortable to live as their authentic selves? That’s a different story.


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07 Sep 2022, 5:47 pm

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Hedly wrote:
I would check out "1984' and 'Animal Farm' Goldfish. Those are two books that would give you a good understanding what I'm talking about.

Brave New World is also a good one.


That's another good dystopian vision of a different nature.



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07 Sep 2022, 5:49 pm

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Hedly wrote:
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I would check out "1984' and 'Animal Farm' Goldfish. Those are two books that would give you a good understanding what I'm talking about.

Do these books preach acceptance of bigotry? If so I’m not interested in the least bit.


Ha! I guess you don't have an interest in literature at all, do you?

Not in hate literature if that’s what it is. And very little interest in fictional stories.


I think you'd have to read it first to make that judgement.



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07 Sep 2022, 5:51 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
r00tb33r wrote:
When I was a high school student in the early 2000s we weren't dealing with any of that. I've met a lot of people later in life who hated school, and my experience was unexpectedly just very "normal", we even had lunch that didn't suck. I'd hate to be in grade school now. I graduated in a class of 500+, I don't recollect a single person who had difficulty conforming to their gender. That was just not a thing.

*was not a thing that any of them told you about or were comfortable disclosing.

The rates of transgenderism in humans likely haven’t changed much at all over millennia. People being comfortable to live as their authentic selves? That’s a different story.

Our dress code was quite lenient. I don't recall a single guy who dressed like a girl. We had punks with crazy hair and studded leather, we had goths with black fingernails and everything else, we had nerds wearing capes, but no gender identity oddities.



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07 Sep 2022, 5:56 pm

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r00tb33r wrote:
When I was a high school student in the early 2000s we weren't dealing with any of that. I've met a lot of people later in life who hated school, and my experience was unexpectedly just very "normal", we even had lunch that didn't suck. I'd hate to be in grade school now. I graduated in a class of 500+, I don't recollect a single person who had difficulty conforming to their gender. That was just not a thing.

*was not a thing that any of them told you about or were comfortable disclosing.

The rates of transgenderism in humans likely haven’t changed much at all over millennia. People being comfortable to live as their authentic selves? That’s a different story.

Our dress code was quite lenient. I don't recall a single guy who dressed like a girl. We had punks with crazy hair and studded leather, we had goths with black fingernails and everything else, we had nerds wearing capes, but no gender identity oddities.



It wasn’t about dress code. It was about familial and societal (lack of) acceptance.

Same same for “out,” gay people. Gay men older than myself put up with all kinds of homophobic abuse in high school. Young gay men today can walk down the halls hand in hand with their boyfriends.

Times change.


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