02 Mar 2023, 12:28 am
02 Mar 2023, 1:16 am
Fnord wrote:
[opinion=mine]
I believe that Dr. Fauci was caught between "the devil and the deep blue sea", and is now being made everybody's scapegoat.
[/opinion]
I believe that Dr. Fauci was caught between "the devil and the deep blue sea", and is now being made everybody's scapegoat.
[/opinion]
He has the millions of dollars that were made from the COVID event to comfort him.
02 Mar 2023, 1:44 am
ASPartOfMe wrote:
If it was a biowopen it did not suck. It shut down a lot of the world. In the U.S. it exacerbated political divisions and helped undercut America's belief in its scientists. Such things as quiet quitting are an indication that the work ethic that made America the economic powerhouse it is took a hit.
Agreed, but that only happened AFTER the leak.
There are plenty of instances where it is reasonable to suggest COVID was EXPORTED to other countries.
ASPartOfMe wrote:
My problem is with all these "it was a lab leak" people doing a victory dance, bragging they were right all along about how evil the CCP is, scolding those wet market theorists who shamed, dismissed, and othered them is that they are doing almost the same damn thing about the possibility it was a deliberately released bioweapons.
GROSS misrepresentation.
Who here is doing the "Snoopy dance of celebration" that others were definitively wrong?
Plz copy & paste where you think ppl have.
Speaking for myself, I am "doing the neutron Snoopy dance" because those who speculated the virus was manmade are no longer vilified.
Those who were censored and ridiculed BECAUSE OF DIRTY POLITICS are entitled to twerk their Snoopy butt in their faces.
ASPartOfMe wrote:
The CCP is evil, but that evil? No, No, No. Obviously, the CCP intentionally doing something that would hurt their own people to such a degree would be depraved to the extreme. There is CCP precident. Does the cultural revolution ring a bell? That was half a century ago you say. What about the Uyghurs?
Straw man argument, anyone?
You are suggesting, it seems, that some are saying the CCP DELIBERATELY unleashed the virus on the Chinese ppl of Wuhan.
Who the hell is saying that?
Certainly not I said the fly.
Cut and paste where you think someone DID suggest that.
Moit, you are confusing me.
I think you need more sleep.
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02 Mar 2023, 1:53 am
02 Mar 2023, 2:13 am
Pepe wrote:
magz wrote:
Well, if covid was intended as a bioweapon, it clearly sucks.
I still find regular research a more probable option because up to 2020, Chinese scientists were accelerating in every area, including mine. Do you know I was invited to a conference in physics that was going to take place in Wuhan in Spring 2020?
I expect them to have had plenty of research of all kinds in this city, the vast majority of it being entirely regular research.
I still find regular research a more probable option because up to 2020, Chinese scientists were accelerating in every area, including mine. Do you know I was invited to a conference in physics that was going to take place in Wuhan in Spring 2020?
I expect them to have had plenty of research of all kinds in this city, the vast majority of it being entirely regular research.
Assuming the virus was man/woman made:
The virus was designed to SPECIFICALLY infect HUMANS.
Add to this a more lethal variation sometime down the line.
Professor Skunk has spoken.
If it was indeed a part of research towards weaponizing coronaviruses, then I would "congratulate" the one who launched this research for a spectacularily dumb idea.
Though, if last year taught me anything, spectacularily dumb ideas are not rare at all and some kinds of dictatorships have mechanisms promoting them quite successfully.
Pepe wrote:
I wouldn't blame Western researchers for assuming others are like them... including similarily logical. It's a natural human behavior.
02 Mar 2023, 2:37 am
magz wrote:
Pepe wrote:
magz wrote:
Well, if covid was intended as a bioweapon, it clearly sucks.
I still find regular research a more probable option because up to 2020, Chinese scientists were accelerating in every area, including mine. Do you know I was invited to a conference in physics that was going to take place in Wuhan in Spring 2020?
I expect them to have had plenty of research of all kinds in this city, the vast majority of it being entirely regular research.
I still find regular research a more probable option because up to 2020, Chinese scientists were accelerating in every area, including mine. Do you know I was invited to a conference in physics that was going to take place in Wuhan in Spring 2020?
I expect them to have had plenty of research of all kinds in this city, the vast majority of it being entirely regular research.
Assuming the virus was man/woman made:
The virus was designed to SPECIFICALLY infect HUMANS.
Add to this a more lethal variation sometime down the line.
Professor Skunk has spoken.
If it was indeed a part of research towards weaponizing coronaviruses, then I would "congratulate" the one who launched this research for a spectacularily dumb idea.
Though, if last year taught me anything, spectacularily dumb ideas are not rare at all and some kinds of dictatorships have mechanisms promoting them quite successfully.
MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) is an insane idea, but works well as a DETERRENT.
Just ask Uncle Joe.
The same could be said about bioweapons.
I weapon of psychological terror.
magz wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I wouldn't blame Western researchers for assuming others are like them... including similarily logical. It's a natural human behavior.Naivety is no excuse.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee, guys.
Are you seriously making this argument, or are you simply brainstorming?
To be klear, fauci and daszak aren't the main villains here.
But they are accessories to the crime, particularly that of cover-up.
And so are organisations such as Facebook that censored bone fide considerations.
02 Mar 2023, 4:56 am
Pepe wrote:
MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) is an insane idea, but works well as a DETERRENT.
Just ask Uncle Joe.
The same could be said about bioweapons.
I weapon of psychological terror.
Just ask Uncle Joe.
The same could be said about bioweapons.
I weapon of psychological terror.
Oh, sure, but anyone who has more idea of ecology of coronaviruses - how they evolve once released to the population - should I think quickly realize that they are not good candidates for weapons. I mean, a weapon is something that harms your enemy and not you - and viruses that are common-cold-like (or flu-like) are super hard to contain.
If it was intended as a bioweapon, then China lost it to the West - the "West" (including West-aligned East Asia), with all the turbulences, created and distributed effective vaccines and by now, pretty much got over it. Meanwhile, China is still suffering after their zero covid policy bankrupted.
So, in the long run, hooray for democracies
and science
02 Mar 2023, 5:46 am
magz wrote:
Pepe wrote:
MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) is an insane idea, but works well as a DETERRENT.
Just ask Uncle Joe.
The same could be said about bioweapons.
I weapon of psychological terror.
Just ask Uncle Joe.
The same could be said about bioweapons.
I weapon of psychological terror.
Oh, sure, but anyone who has more idea of ecology of coronaviruses - how they evolve once released to the population - should I think quickly realize that they are not good candidates for weapons. I mean, a weapon is something that harms your enemy and not you - and viruses that are common-cold-like (or flu-like) are super hard to contain.
Research suggested the CCP had already developed a vaccine for the coronavirus, abate not a good one.
I have even seen this mentioned in the mainstream media earlier on.
Reason would suggest that this would be the next phase in a possible bioweapon, would it not?
If you were to make one, wouldn't you want to make an "antidote" also?
The problem was, COVID escaped when it shouldn't have.
magz wrote:
If it was intended as a bioweapon, then China lost it to the West - the "West" (including West-aligned East Asia), with all the turbulences, created and distributed effective vaccines and by now, pretty much got over it. Meanwhile, China is still suffering after their zero covid policy bankrupted.
What makes you think that the coronavirus that escaped was the only one they were working on?
And as I have said, after having created a virus that would specifically target human beings, additional more lethal variants could be "added to its bag of tricks".
In essence, "the door has been opened" to allow "the big bad wolf" through.
My reasoning is solid.
I'd be surprised if you, as a scientist, would dismiss it without consideration.
I hope you aren't clasping a narrative.
"Follow the Truth, not the narrative."
magz wrote:
So, in the long run, hooray for democracies and science
and science Let us hope our Democracies are not as soulless as the authoritarian government that covered up "the plague" that has killed 6.8 million and counting.
It is probably best to delete my theory above, just in case our western governments aren't as "squeaky klean" as we would hope.
We wouldn't want to give them any ideas, now would we.
RetroGamer87
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02 Mar 2023, 6:29 am
02 Mar 2023, 11:18 pm
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Maybe, maybe not; but I feel this is missing the central issue of COVID.
Regardless of where the virus came from, the Chinese authorities new they had a deadly virus by December of 2019. Yet they didn't tell anyone and jailed the doctor who discovered it. For four weeks they let people travel in and out of Wuhan so they could infect the rest of China and the rest of the world.
Regardless of where the virus came from, the Chinese authorities new they had a deadly virus by December of 2019. Yet they didn't tell anyone and jailed the doctor who discovered it. For four weeks they let people travel in and out of Wuhan so they could infect the rest of China and the rest of the world.
They even held a "Military Olympics" in China that some believe was deliberately used to spread the virus around the world.
I have no trouble believing it.
Does anyone else remember the "Hug an Asian" virtue-signalling campaign in Italy that presumably killed many there as a result?
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03 Mar 2023, 1:19 am
Pepe wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
If it was a biowopen it did not suck. It shut down a lot of the world. In the U.S. it exacerbated political divisions and helped undercut America's belief in its scientists. Such things as quiet quitting are an indication that the work ethic that made America the economic powerhouse it is took a hit.
Agreed, but that only happened AFTER the leak.
There are plenty of instances where it is reasonable to suggest COVID was EXPORTED to other countries.
ASPartOfMe wrote:
My problem is with all these "it was a lab leak" people doing a victory dance, bragging they were right all along about how evil the CCP is, scolding those wet market theorists who shamed, dismissed, and othered them is that they are doing almost the same damn thing about the possibility it was a deliberately released bioweapons.
GROSS misrepresentation.
Who here is doing the "Snoopy dance of celebration" that others were definitively wrong?
Plz copy & paste where you think ppl have.
Speaking for myself, I am "doing the neutron Snoopy dance" because those who speculated the virus was manmade are no longer vilified.
Those who were censored and ridiculed BECAUSE OF DIRTY POLITICS are entitled to twerk their Snoopy butt in their faces.
ASPartOfMe wrote:
The CCP is evil, but that evil? No, No, No. Obviously, the CCP intentionally doing something that would hurt their own people to such a degree would be depraved to the extreme. There is CCP precident. Does the cultural revolution ring a bell? That was half a century ago you say. What about the Uyghurs?
Straw man argument, anyone?
You are suggesting, it seems, that some are saying the CCP DELIBERATELY unleashed the virus on the Chinese ppl of Wuhan.
Who the hell is saying that?
Certainly not I said the fly.
Cut and paste where you think someone DID suggest that.
Moit, you are confusing me.
I think you need more sleep.
It is me who is saying that a deliberate release is a possibility.
As far as victory dances I did not name names, I meant "lab leak theory" people that I have read doing a bunch of bragging in light of the US Energy Department report.
While "we were right all along" chest thumping is understandable in light of past censorship.
1. The Energy Department" report said they had "low confidence" it was likely a lab leak. That is not vindication.
2. Let's go back to 2020, shall we? If I just suggested at that time it was a lab leak people would say to me something like "Who is saying that?" Or "only unreliable conspiracy theory crank sources from the bowels of the internet say that". That was because there were no "reliable sources" saying that. Just like it is impossible to find "reliable sources" suggesting China deliberately released it. I am seeing the same condescending certainty by current lab leak theorists that I noticed from "it came from bats in the wet market" theorists from 2020-2022.
My guesses for the lack of people entertaining even thinking about a deliberate release are.
1. While the CCP is accepted as quite evil despite history people in general do not think others can be that evil.
2. If was proven to be a deliberate release we would have to do something about it. The options for our reactions and how the C.C.P. would react to our reactions are just too horrible to think about.
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