Trump Georgia grand jury sends findings to D.A.

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It took longer to count the votes in urban areas, which tend to vote blue. It was the final tally that matters. So, no, there was no stolen election. But the right had wanted to decertify the urban vote in Detroit, which is also predominantly black. Hence there was a racial element to the right's sour grapes.

On top of that, the heavily populated West Coast, which lags 3 hours behind the closing of votes in the East, tends to vote VERY liberal.

And on top of that, California rules allow mail in votes to continue to be counted long past election day, as long as the postmark is on or before election day. California now votes predominantly by mail. Washington state votes exclusively by mail.

Election vote tallies have consistently turned more liberal overnight on election night for DECADES.

It doesn't take an expert in statistics to understand that the math does, in fact, make a lot of sense.

I think your bubble is limiting what you are seeing. Without all the facts, what you think you are seeing isn't reality.

Trump knew full well the election wasn't stolen. There is evidence that his team told him over and over he did not have a case, and warned him over and over not to keep making the claim.

By making the claim, he was intentionally riling up his base. He sold his own supporters down the river, IMHO. He led his supporters to believe things that weren't true, and led them to believe the integrity of their country was at stake. He knew how human nature would act. He didn't have to say to be violent; that was simply inevitable from the picture he painted.

I have read articles and listened to interviews with people who stormed the capitol. These were not, for the most part, bad or violent people. What struck me was the level of sincerity and belief. Many have since realized how wrong they were; others have not. In both cases, one has to ask why they believed with so much sincerity. And the answer starts, IMHO, with Trump. He wanted them to believe there was corruption. He was laying the groundwork long before the voting even started. He is a master manipulator, and good people have fallen for it. It's evil what he's done, it really is. He wasn't alone, of course; there is a whole network of political and infotainment leadership that was willing to spread the message with him. Those leaders are NOT sincere; read what they say in court cases. They KNEW the election wasn't stolen. They KNEW they were spreading lies. But common people? The common people didn't. That is what I find unforgivable about that far right block and about Trump. Their supporters didn't deserve to be used as cannon fodder by those they trusted.

I will never claim the far right has the exclusive hold on being corrupt or misleading. But the far left hasn't tried to tear a hole in our constitution by preventing the peaceful transition of power. It's the far right manipulation straight out of Putin's and autocracies play book that is scary.

WHAT were you watching?

News coverage?

Whose news coverage?

You weren't watching a live feed of each and every country election office, were you?

News networks make choices on what to show and what not to show. They make judgement calls on how to report the results, and when to report the results.

You were seeing what someone wanted you to see.

I didn't see the same thing.

I did go to bed knowing Trump was leading, but I also knew what was not yet reported and what was left to be counted, and that in that uncounted margin there was plenty of room for the results to change. As they did.

Exactly.

Very little of the evidence Trump supporters believe is what they think it is. There are valid explanations. That whole movie "proving" election fraud was based on false assumptions, selective editing, and false claims. All this stuff has been investigated and proven to be naught, and those investigations were NOT all by "Democrats" or "deep state." Many were by people who wanted to believe Trump, but had enough honestly to call it what they saw as what it was.

There is always a small amount of fraud in every election. That fraud gets investigated and prosecuted. The question is whether or not it rose to a level that could have changed the election out come.

It did not.

We have the safest elections IN THE WORLD.

Elections do get manipulated through gerrymandering and false election claims. The gerrymandering is known to highly favor CONSERVATIVES right now. Numbers tell the tale, how many votes in a state were for Democrats v. Republicans, v how many election winners were from each party. Those are public numbers. Democrats do it, too, but Republicans have perfected the art.

And then there is the electoral college, and the US Senate, and how both heavily favor conservatives.

It's a miracle a Democrat can ever win or that the party can ever have control of congress. Seriously.

Democrats marched and complained back in 2016, but they never tried to overturn the election.

But, heck, Democrats didn't have the cult of Trump to manipulate them and metaphorically convince them that the blue/purple sky they saw was actually green.

Cliffs from all the talking heads on various news and political commentating shows = charges are coming. Not if, but when.

I Think I heard some say soon - days/weeks, but some nerd on some news clip I heard this morning said 2-3 months for the Georgia charges to roll out.

Dunno why. Wtf? How long does it take to read a referral and a report and make a decision and then press charges or whatever the formal process name is ? 2-3 months You’d think it would happen in less than a week. Like how many people have to read this report and then blah blah blah about it ?? Can’t they print more than one copy?? Just get on with it. We wanna see him face real consequences for his criming.. especially State level consequences that no republican president could ever pardon.

edit: had a caffeinated look at the headlines of the video clips and they say they're charging maga republicans 100% but don't specify that trump is included. Hmmm. I can't imagine a scenario where they say they're going to charge people that committed crimes in this case and they Don't charge trump for his criming that is clear as day recorded from his phone conversation.

Both sides of politics have "hyperpartisans".
I am not impressed with this nonsense and see it as anti-intellectual.

AFTER he encouraged them to protest.
You really need to do more research.

IMO, Trump had a brain fart on the 6th because he is an egomaniac and couldn't control himself.
His bout with COVID may have scrambled his brain.
I wish he would leave the political arena and make room for new blood.

That is simply your OPINION.
In MY opinion, Trump acted disgracefully.
Pence showed integrity by ignoring Trump's stupidity/insanity.

I see the BLM riots obscene, also.

Hillary biatched about the election being stolen for 4 years.
And the Capitol Hill riot would have simply postponed the ratification of Biden's Presidency, not subvert it.

BOTH sides do it, and it is a manifestation of "Hyperpartisanship".

But there are ppl who have "Trump Derangement Syndrome", so it evens out.

Are you ignoring how big tech was biased and censoring anything that hurt the Biden campaign?
Trump was full of BS, but the left did play dirty politics, also.

Trump lost the election, but there were a lot of political dirty tricks involved.
Twitter and Facebook, hopefully, won't have any significant influence in the next election.
And hopefully, the system of voter verification will be better.