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26 Apr 2023, 11:56 am
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26 Apr 2023, 1:46 pm
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
This is a genuine question:
When I see lessons about the Holocaust they are presented as a single moment in time. WWII, Concentration Camps, roughly 6 Million Jews wiped out of existence, their wealth stolen is easily the greatest example of racism to ever exist. The cumulative damage of that time period doesn't seem to warrant more than a blip in our world history lessons. Why?
Jews are still experiencing anti-semitism in the US and one of the ring leaders of Black anti-semitism is Lewis Farrakhan, following his example are people like Kanye West. Yet, we spend huge amounts of time focusing on racism towards blacks as if it's the only racism to ever exist in the US. And if we don't present it over and over again, all the time, we're all racists.
I don't get it. This is economically driven, it's about more than just human rights violations. It is somehow more beneficial to highlight racism towards black individuals above all others and I don't know why else except money.
When I see lessons about the Holocaust they are presented as a single moment in time. WWII, Concentration Camps, roughly 6 Million Jews wiped out of existence, their wealth stolen is easily the greatest example of racism to ever exist. The cumulative damage of that time period doesn't seem to warrant more than a blip in our world history lessons. Why?
Jews are still experiencing anti-semitism in the US and one of the ring leaders of Black anti-semitism is Lewis Farrakhan, following his example are people like Kanye West. Yet, we spend huge amounts of time focusing on racism towards blacks as if it's the only racism to ever exist in the US. And if we don't present it over and over again, all the time, we're all racists.
I don't get it. This is economically driven, it's about more than just human rights violations. It is somehow more beneficial to highlight racism towards black individuals above all others and I don't know why else except money.
I think one major reason is that the Holocaust happened in Europe not in America.
Interesting you mentioned Kanye. It took a celebrity to get a lot of attention paid to anti semitism particularly anti-semitism coming out of the black community. I think historically the combination of most Jews being liberal and Jewish organizations giving slack to another group that has been victimized by racism is a factor.
Nuh-huh; that ain’t it. It’s more that the victors write the history books, IMO.
North American settlers murdered nearly 100,000,000 Indigenous people in a near complete genocide over 150-200 years. Hell, that was hitler’s inspiration for his genocidal aspirations.
Highly unlikely history books are going to mention much about either in North America as it’s not the narrative they want their children to believe. Probably have a better chance of learning American and European history in African or Asian classrooms.
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26 Apr 2023, 2:12 pm
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26 Apr 2023, 2:17 pm
Persephone29 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
This is a genuine question:
When I see lessons about the Holocaust they are presented as a single moment in time. WWII, Concentration Camps, roughly 6 Million Jews wiped out of existence, their wealth stolen is easily the greatest example of racism to ever exist. The cumulative damage of that time period doesn't seem to warrant more than a blip in our world history lessons. Why?
Jews are still experiencing anti-semitism in the US and one of the ring leaders of Black anti-semitism is Lewis Farrakhan, following his example are people like Kanye West. Yet, we spend huge amounts of time focusing on racism towards blacks as if it's the only racism to ever exist in the US. And if we don't present it over and over again, all the time, we're all racists.
I don't get it. This is economically driven, it's about more than just human rights violations. It is somehow more beneficial to highlight racism towards black individuals above all others and I don't know why else except money.
When I see lessons about the Holocaust they are presented as a single moment in time. WWII, Concentration Camps, roughly 6 Million Jews wiped out of existence, their wealth stolen is easily the greatest example of racism to ever exist. The cumulative damage of that time period doesn't seem to warrant more than a blip in our world history lessons. Why?
Jews are still experiencing anti-semitism in the US and one of the ring leaders of Black anti-semitism is Lewis Farrakhan, following his example are people like Kanye West. Yet, we spend huge amounts of time focusing on racism towards blacks as if it's the only racism to ever exist in the US. And if we don't present it over and over again, all the time, we're all racists.
I don't get it. This is economically driven, it's about more than just human rights violations. It is somehow more beneficial to highlight racism towards black individuals above all others and I don't know why else except money.
I think one major reason is that the Holocaust happened in Europe not in America.
Interesting you mentioned Kanye. It took a celebrity to get a lot of attention paid to anti semitism particularly anti-semitism coming out of the black community. I think historically the combination of most Jews being liberal and Jewish organizations giving slack to another group that has been victimized by racism is a factor.
Nuh-huh; that ain’t it. It’s more that the victors write the history books, IMO.
North American settlers murdered nearly 100,000,000 Indigenous people in a near complete genocide over 150-200 years. Hell, that was hitler’s inspiration for his genocidal aspirations.
Highly unlikely history books are going to mention much about either in North America as it’s not the narrative they want their children to believe. Probably have a better chance of learning American and European history in African or Asian classrooms.
I realize you said North America, I hope you've included Canada. They're right up there with the US in the past and the present. So many 'unsolved' disappearances on both sides of the border.
Geography education as lacking as history in the USA?
Of course North America includes Canada. Technically there are 23 countries in North America, but the main two I'm referencing are Canada and the USA where most of these atrocities occurred.
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26 Apr 2023, 4:11 pm
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26 Apr 2023, 7:51 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
Universities are doing away with SAT's because they are exclusionary, applicants of any group not white (or Asian) male are favored. Yet still, here we are over 150 years after the Civil War. And nearly 60 years since desegregation and a change in the Johnson-Reed Act, both races have had drastic changes. One for the better, one for the worse. Why?
Could it be that constantly putting something in the face of a race is detrimental? Could it be that constantly reminding a people of their victimhood has taken the fight right out of them? And conversely, could it be that constantly reminding everyone else has done the exact opposite of what was intended (garnering empathy)?
Could it be that constantly putting something in the face of a race is detrimental? Could it be that constantly reminding a people of their victimhood has taken the fight right out of them? And conversely, could it be that constantly reminding everyone else has done the exact opposite of what was intended (garnering empathy)?
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905. From the series Great Ideas of Western Man.
Santayana knew history was being tampered with at the turn of the 20th century, some 25 years before the rise of nazism and the banning of books. The republicans are literally trying to erase history by banning it's teaching starting in schools K1-K12 by raising the bogey of CRT (that is on the record as not existing in school) and now actually trying to erase history from College.
No offence, but that is a rather absurd statement.
There is SO much in the mainstream media that a person would have to be catatonic not to come across this sort of thing.
26 Apr 2023, 7:54 pm
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26 Apr 2023, 7:57 pm
26 Apr 2023, 8:00 pm
ASPartOfMe wrote:
I think one major reason is that the Holocaust happened in Europe not in America.
Interesting you mentioned Kanye. It took a celebrity to get a lot of attention paid to anti semitism particularly anti-semitism coming out of the black community. I think historically the combination of most Jews being liberal and Jewish organizations giving slack to another group that has been victimized by racism is a factor.
Interesting you mentioned Kanye. It took a celebrity to get a lot of attention paid to anti semitism particularly anti-semitism coming out of the black community. I think historically the combination of most Jews being liberal and Jewish organizations giving slack to another group that has been victimized by racism is a factor.
The irony is that the left tends to lean towards antisemitism in favour of the Muslim community.
An extreme example can be seen when Jeremy Corbyn was the left-wing leader in the UK.
OUCH!
The same applies here in Australia but not as extreme.
Not sure if it is the case in the US.
26 Apr 2023, 8:05 pm
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26 Apr 2023, 8:20 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
How successful do you think they will be in erasing black history? Each February our class spends one month highlighting black history, it is a core part of the curriculum and standards. During that month we devote time to slavery, heroes, segregation and the sit-ins, bus boycotts, school integration, Ruby Bridges and the little children who were brave, lost their lives. I create a door devoted to black history, it stays up the entire month of February.
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I am not sure what the GOP's endgame is? but I am aware that if it becomes law then schools and colleges will have to review curriculum content (state by state?) to ensure books don't breach new laws. Black history month might (for example) focus on individual famous black people rather than social/civil strife that was present as a backdrop at the time.
In Australia we have an intellectual conflict in universities called the "History wars" and those opposed to highlighting our own racist past use the term "black armband" version of history (In Australia we wear black armbands in mourning for somebody famous who died). There has been attempts by conservative politicians to interfere in Australian education curriculum for years. Back in the 1990s there was the famous debates (that spearheaded the history wars) between progressive historian Prof Manning Clarke and his arch nemesis (also in Melbourne University) Prof Geoffrey Blainey and his sycophant (an ex-academic from Adelaide named Keith Windschuttle) the latter two tried very hard to "white-wash" Australian history and they were in the news regularly.
It isn't as simple as you portray it.
There has been a lot of disinformation by left-wing activists, ALSO!
May I suggest you read: The "Dark Emu" controversy
January 07, 2022
http://www.iankeese.com.au/journal-entr ... ontroversy
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