The Mountain Gorillas are in Great Danger!

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Video: Abused Pet Lion Goes to "Carnivore Shelter"

That is a perfect recent example why there are laws against having big cats as pets.

Video: Abused Pet Lion Goes to "Carnivore Shelter"

That is a perfect recent example why there are laws against having big cats as pets.

True, a major overflood of the Black Sea lead to the formation of lots of flood myths by the refugees.

But the idea that a voice in a mans head told him to bulid a massive boat and ruin every species with mass inbreeding is...

Insane, to say the least.

They didn't have Gregor Mendel then, and besides, they've ruined several families by ibreeding in just their own inbreeding over the last few centuries. Humanity, I mean, with the socioeconomic class distinctions.

Yes, the royals and Zeus made doing your sister cool.

And I get the impression that for some reason you believe that the laws are right.

It is wrong to outlaw an activity using the excuse that some people can't do it right. The animal rights people are the new fascist movement.

[quote= It is wrong to outlaw an activity using the excuse that some people can't do it right. The animal rights people are the new fascist movement.[/quote]

Yeah, screw drivers licences, and medical accreditation.... It would be really awesome to cut people open, and do sugery,
except i'm too lazy to go through all that schooling to become a professional. They should allow amateur surgeons! The medical
profession is full of facists infringing on my rights to amateurly cut up people!

I think you'll find that fascists are the new fascist movement.

End of the day, DCR is a s**thole, and has been for a long long time, since before it was The Congo last time. (Pre-Zaire.) Its utterly unsurprising that they cant deal with poachers effectively. Yet another sad tale of humanity wanting to be where other things already are, and the other things come off worse. Gorillas, Chimps, beetles, the Dodo, its always the same story.

Farming these animals might boost the population, but given how farmers treat the average chicken, is there any evidence to suggest that other creatures would be treated any better? Battery Tigers? Doesnt sound pleasant. Not to mention, there would be plenty of these animals left if people just left them the f*ck alone. As for domesticating them.. where did the originals come from? Yes, they came from the wild, snatched from their natural habitats so some rich ponce could show off his latest exotic pet. Now if these creatures could be kept as "pets" in an environment as close as possible to their natural one, it wouldnt be half as bad. Give them a few thousand hectares of land and a herd of spribgbok to chase, and theyre happy.

Best solution? More effective guarding of reserve areas. The less poachers get in, the less animals get killed. At the moment most of these places seem to have one guard watching a couple of hundred miles of land. Hardly efficient. By the time he gets there, the damage is done. I dont doubt however, that the funding for this sort of thing is lining the tiger-skin upholstery of some fat african ministers personal fleet of Mercedes Benz, assuming its not lining the pockets of an ex-soviet arms dealer in exchange for large numbers of AK47s, ready to equip whichever fly-by-night tinpot dictatorship fancies changing the maps again. Such is Africa.

Yeah, screw drivers licences, and medical accreditation.... It would be really awesome to cut people open, and do sugery,
except i'm too lazy to go through all that schooling to become a professional. They should allow amateur surgeons! The medical
profession is full of facists infringing on my rights to amateurly cut up people![/quote]

I'm too lazy to respond to any more of your pabulum.

So why post an opinion you are too lazy to defend, hmmmm?

I already defended it. The other side is never going to bother to check their facts and when I check their facts for them it won't make any difference to them. So never mind.

Okay, i'm stubborn.

I asked you to provide evidence that animal rights groups slaughter exotic animals because they're facists,
but you didn't and couldnt.

Sooo... There!

Actually, they just put in a special emergency task force for the mountain gorillas, and the government stopped paying the guards,
they are being funded by an international conservation agency thats called "wildlife direct", http://www.wildlifedirect.org
that also directly funds other animal conservation projects. Its a great website, the rangers have blogs, and one was recently
kidnapped and beat up because he wrote against the charcoal industry on his blog. 75 have died in the past decade protecting
the mountain gorillas, sometimes going months without pay. So in this case, the local arms dealer is buying second hand mercedes.

I've lost interest in your opinions. You appear to support groups without having any idea what they do. If you don't know what they do the fault is your own. They usually publish it on their own websites and it takes next to no effort to find out what they have been doing.

It's a lot like supporting a government while ignoring what it does even when you can read it in the local newspaper. You would never do that, would you?

Ha, so predictable, you're hilarious. Why would you care about my opinion in the first place. If you truly lost interest you wouldnt bother posting. And I was half looking forward to some evidence- say, some lame badly written article published on a 13 year olds blog who was pissed off because his parents wouldnt let him keep a corn snake. I bet you belong to the "I have issues with my mommy because she took away my cornsnake" group on facebook.

I'm only posting because its amusing.
I'm not going to defend the reasoning, because you're just attacking me with no basis whatsoever. You're insulting my knowledge, and spewing conspiracy theories about groups which YOU know nothing about.
Basically, you're points are weak, illogical, fanciful, and pretty non-creative.
I belong to the "I'm an animal rights activist and I want to take over the world" group on facebook. I'm cooler than you.

Despite best efforts to give him the benefit of the doubt, Remnant has once again returned to form in his style of posting. He often cites this "animal rights conspiracy theory" and then refuses point blank to back it up with any form of actual evidence. Any information cited by other people is immediately dismissed as ill-informed propaganda (though he misses the fact that some of it is from sites that SUPPORT his views lol) and he will inevitably devolve into rudeness, insults, and childish behaviour, whilst making absolutely no concrete provable points to support his own theories. Eventually he will resort to vitriolic abuse of the nastiest sort.

With that in mind, its probably best to just ignore anything he says, at risk of letting a decent debate or conversation be buried in a mound of tiger-shit, as has happened before.

On topic: Its good to see that rangers arent totally reliant on government funding in their job, but its sad to say that in that area, the locals are just as likely to be killing each other as gorillas, and generally, if the rest of the world doesnt give a piss about the people, they almost certainly have little regard for anything else in the area.

Given that the humanitarian approach is utterly pointless, a more cynical one should gain ground.. however, its ironic that governments such as DCR seem to completely miss the profitability of having such species in numbers. Kenya makes a LOT of money from tourism, and I dont doubt there is also capital gain in breeding programs, sales to zoos, and scentific research. If they were willing to pay out money to conserve the species, they would make that outlay back, and make additional money, and no doubt rise in the opinions of the world. Tourism increases, unemployment falls, DCR becomes richer, everyone has more money, a stronger economy, and so forth. Hell, they could even start buying new cars with government funds, and no one would notice, just like happens in the west. Everyone spots theft when there's very little to go around, but its so much harder to see when everyone is better off.

I think I need an accountant. Let them work out a ten year plan for making DCR richer based on wildlife conservation, and post it to the Congolese embassy.