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04 Sep 2023, 5:52 pm

There are compositions that would be unlikely to be from materials manufactured on earth, but even finding those materials still isn't proof of them being manufactured by another intelligent lifeform.

A metallic space rock falling through our atmosphere might leave a trail of little round spheroids behind it (resulting from material boiling off and then condensing) and that seems a lot more likely than that we've recovered material from an interstellar craft created by intelligent alien life.


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04 Sep 2023, 5:59 pm

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. . . A metallic space rock falling through our atmosphere might leave a trail of little round spheroids behind it (resulting from material boiling off and then condensing) and that seems a lot more likely than that we've recovered material from an interstellar craft created by intelligent alien life.
A metal-laden terrestrial-based satellite falling through our atmosphere would also leave a trail of little round spheroids behind it.


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04 Sep 2023, 6:11 pm

We can't rule out aliens as a possibility, no matter how slight.

All I heard was it was definitely aliens.


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04 Sep 2023, 6:31 pm

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Remind me... What does the "U" stand for in "UFO" or "UAP"? I'm pretty sure it's not "underpants". I'm pretty sure it's "unidentified". And last I checked, "Unidentified" means you DON'T KNOW what it is. If we "knew" it was aliens, it wouldn't be "unidentified", would it?
Very well put uncommondenominator
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In addition to that, there's nothing wrong with LOOKING for "aliens"
Certainly there's nothing wrong with looking. We just can't say that we've found any yet.
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Sure, the spherules MAY have interstellar origins -- as do all elements  except Hydrogen and Helium .  But to claim that they were artificially made by an intelligent extraterrestrial life-form is an extreme stretch of faith in one man's fantasy.  The only way to prove (beyond any reasonable doubt) that there was intelligence behind their manufacture would require the alleged manufacturer to step forward and support the claim.
Examination of the alloys + retrieval of larger samples from the site of the splash zone in the Pacific would likely also answer that question
Are you really all that ignorant of the fact that any alloy can be manufacturer right here on Earth?
Fnord, I'm sure you are already aware that alloys can occour in nature. There could easily be natural processes out there that we've never heard of before.


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04 Sep 2023, 9:25 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
uncommondenominator wrote:
Remind me... What does the "U" stand for in "UFO" or "UAP"? I'm pretty sure it's not "underpants". I'm pretty sure it's "unidentified". And last I checked, "Unidentified" means you DON'T KNOW what it is. If we "knew" it was aliens, it wouldn't be "unidentified", would it?
Very well put uncommondenominator
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In addition to that, there's nothing wrong with LOOKING for "aliens"
Certainly there's nothing wrong with looking. We just can't say that we've found any yet.
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Sure, the spherules MAY have interstellar origins -- as do all elements  except Hydrogen and Helium .  But to claim that they were artificially made by an intelligent extraterrestrial life-form is an extreme stretch of faith in one man's fantasy.  The only way to prove (beyond any reasonable doubt) that there was intelligence behind their manufacture would require the alleged manufacturer to step forward and support the claim.
Examination of the alloys + retrieval of larger samples from the site of the splash zone in the Pacific would likely also answer that question
Are you really all that ignorant of the fact that any alloy can be manufacturer right here on Earth?
Fnord, I'm sure you are already aware that alloys can occur in nature. There could easily be natural processes out there that we've never heard of before.
Of course.

Which serves to confirm that while any specific alloy MAY have been produced outside the Sol system, it also further diminishes the credibility of claiming origin by extra-terrestrial intelligence.


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04 Sep 2023, 9:26 pm

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Now, since several nations have been, and continue to, experiment with new aircraft, it's not a stretch to think that we'd be scanning the horizon, for enemy experimental aircraft. Claiming it's UFO research is technically not untrue, since an unknown enemy craft IS a "UFO" until it's properly identified.


But I'm not the one saying this. It's the US government that says this.

1945 - 2017 - UFOs don't exist. They are a figment of imagination bought on by weather phenomena (their words)
2017 - 2023 - UFOs exist. We don't know what the hell they are!! humans can't possibly have built them

The only viable angle to discount extraterrestrials or interdimensionals is that they are secret black projects and the UFO narrative is some type of psyops meant to keep the public ignorant to the trillions spent on projects conveniently placed under the national security umbrella.



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04 Sep 2023, 9:28 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
There are compositions that would be unlikely to be from materials manufactured on earth, but even finding those materials still isn't proof of them being manufactured by another intelligent lifeform.

A metallic space rock falling through our atmosphere might leave a trail of little round spheroids behind it (resulting from material boiling off and then condensing) and that seems a lot more likely than that we've recovered material from an interstellar craft created by intelligent alien life.


If a drone falls into your backyard wouldn't you be curious who it belongs to?



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04 Sep 2023, 9:29 pm

Fnord wrote:
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Sure, the spherules MAY have interstellar origins -- as do all elements  except Hydrogen and Helium .  But to claim that they were artificially made by an intelligent extraterrestrial life-form is an extreme stretch of faith in one man's fantasy.  The only way to prove (beyond any reasonable doubt) that there was intelligence behind their manufacture would require the alleged manufacturer to step forward and support the claim.
Examination of the alloys + retrieval of larger samples from the site of the splash zone in the Pacific would likely also answer that question
Are you really all that ignorant of the fact that any alloy can be manufacturer right here on Earth?  Finding an unusual alloy would not prove extraterrestrial intelligence any more than finding bananas in a grocery store would prove the presence of monkeys in the produce section.


its a rare alloy, would you care to counter that with actual evidence that it's common Fnord?



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04 Sep 2023, 9:31 pm

A drone falling into my backyard would obviously have been made by someone.

A few microscopic metal spherules falling into my backyard would not.


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04 Sep 2023, 9:33 pm

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Fnord wrote:
Sure, the spherules MAY have interstellar origins -- as do all elements  except Hydrogen and Helium .  But to claim that they were artificially made by an intelligent extraterrestrial life-form is an extreme stretch of faith in one man's fantasy.  The only way to prove (beyond any reasonable doubt) that there was intelligence behind their manufacture would require the alleged manufacturer to step forward and support the claim.
Examination of the alloys + retrieval of larger samples from the site of the splash zone in the Pacific would likely also answer that question
Are you really all that ignorant of the fact that any alloy can be manufacturer right here on Earth?  Finding an unusual alloy would not prove extraterrestrial intelligence any more than finding bananas in a grocery store would prove the presence of monkeys in the produce section.
its a rare alloy, would you care to counter that with actual evidence Fnord?
"Rare" does not equal "Alien-Made".

The Golden Tarsier is rare, but its origins are the same as humanity's.


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04 Sep 2023, 9:35 pm

cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
There are compositions that would be unlikely to be from materials manufactured on earth, but even finding those materials still isn't proof of them being manufactured by another intelligent lifeform.

A metallic space rock falling through our atmosphere might leave a trail of little round spheroids behind it (resulting from material boiling off and then condensing) and that seems a lot more likely than that we've recovered material from an interstellar craft created by intelligent alien life.


If a drone falls into your backyard wouldn't you be curious who it belongs to?


This isn't a drone. This isn't even debris from a drone. This is blobs of melted metal.

If I found blobs of melted metal in my backyard I wouldn't assume aliens were the most likely explanation.


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04 Sep 2023, 9:35 pm

Fnord wrote:
A drone falling into my backyard would obviously have been made by someone.

A few microscopic metal spherules falling into my backyard would not.


So far
1. object is faster > all other objects entering our solar system
2. object is harder > all other objects floating around the sun
3. objects composed of rare metals in an alloy

If its an interstellar object, natural curiosity should obviously spur investigation into the source material sitting on the bottom of the Pacific ocean



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04 Sep 2023, 9:38 pm

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Certainly there's nothing wrong with looking. We just can't say that we've found any yet..


agreed, but curiosity should dictate that a) we investigate and b) leave all possible scenarios open



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04 Sep 2023, 9:38 pm

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If I found blobs of melted metal in my backyard I wouldn't assume aliens were the most likely explanation.
I found solidified blobs of molten metal under my work-bench.  Some were mostly lead and tin, while others had tin, silver, and copper.  All had traces of organic residue.

I wonder from which planet they originated?

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04 Sep 2023, 9:40 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
A drone falling into my backyard would obviously have been made by someone.

A few microscopic metal spherules falling into my backyard would not.


So far
1. object is faster > all other objects entering our solar system
2. object is harder > all other objects floating around the sun
3. objects composed of rare metals in an alloy

If its an interstellar object, natural curiosity should obviously spur investigation into the source material sitting on the bottom of the Pacific ocean


It can be an interstellar object without being an alien craft. Proving it's from outside of the solar system doesn't amount to proving it was inhabited by, piloted by or built by an intelligent lifeform.


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04 Sep 2023, 9:49 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
A drone falling into my backyard would obviously have been made by someone.

A few microscopic metal spherules falling into my backyard would not.


So far
1. object is faster > all other objects entering our solar system
2. object is harder > all other objects floating around the sun
3. objects composed of rare metals in an alloy

If its an interstellar object, natural curiosity should obviously spur investigation into the source material sitting on the bottom of the Pacific ocean


It can be an interstellar object without being an alien craft. Proving it's from outside of the solar system doesn't amount to proving it was inhabited by, piloted by or built by an intelligent lifeform.


maybe...and maybe not.