Our world is dying

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I find it quite disingenuous to ask people to adhere to terms and conditions you set for this post when you didn't even bother to follow the forum posting guidelines...

Now that's out of the way, the OP:

If we do not do something to stop global warming we will all DIE! javascript:emoticon(':o')

Elemental, you seem to be trying to convince me that IPCC membership is reserved for only the 'best' scientists, when that is not the case at all... All that is required for IPCC membership is an invitation... granted, many of the members do hold doctorates, but holding a doctorate is not a guarantee of the quality of particular scientist, it is only an indication that the scientist has been able to convince other influential members of their particular educational institution that they meet the minimum requirements for being awarded the degree. (yes, I understand how the educational system works)

Moreover, the invitational nature of the IPCC lends itself to bias, in that the governing members of IPCC can decide which qualities they are looking for in its members. There is strong evidence that the IPCC governing board selects for membership only those scientists whose published work shows that they agree with the basic premise of human causation of global warming, the strongest of which is the very report you directed me to read which supposedly 'proves' human causation of global warming. (hence my assertion that the IPCC are 'self appointed')

There are many more respected, published, competent scientists who disagree with the supposed findings of the IPCC. (I say supposed findings because if you actually read all the reports you've asked me to read, you will see that they do not actually report what the media reports they report.)

A report generated by the Marshall Institute (a collection of 'top' scientists, as you call them) illustrates the erroneous reading of the IPCC report:

I didn 't like my tone in my earlier post , I thought it sounded too negative and not me , really . So I just want to say that even though I have read some sobering statistics , we should all still try our best on a personal level to live a friendlier life with earth .

Thank you

here's a good, well reasoned and well supported explanation of the shortcomings of the IPCC report...

This "global warming" thing... what Watt is what? (from JunkScience.com)

And, for the lowbrow among you, heres an impassioned editorial analysis of the projected effects of spending a trillion dollars to cut greenhouse emissions, from Fox News:

Junk Science: Global Warming’s Trillion-Dollar Turkey

Thinking about global warming i can't get this image out of my head of the earth being an 80 year old woman. I also can't stop thinking about middle class environmentalism. I don't have a lot of meat in my diet. However the meat I do have is very important. I can't afford to buy a million different ingredients to meet my basic iron, calcium, vitiamin and of course protein requirments. I also don't see the relevancy in shortening my showers when I get my water from a huge lake near my town.

I cant stand it when some celeberty like Sheryl Crow goes on about toilet paper but totally misses the point that most toilet paper is made very crappy no pun intended. It is easy to go trendy green when your rich but totally unrealistic when your not. Selfishness is a luxury of the rich. I would like an environmental plan that understands why a country like the USA has to do better at being env. friendly than a country like China. By saying that I am not saying that poorer countries should not do their part but due to their current situation they just can't do as much as the richer countries can.

In support of this topic's rules I just want to state that the way I help grandma earth the most is by sharing and conserving my own resources. Sure I am pretty OCD about not leaving a light on in a room where I am b/c it annoys me but to me that is very minor. I am also one of those weird people who actually eats leftovers. In the apartment building where I use to live furniture exchanges were quite common. My whole living room basically consisted of parts of furniture that other tenants threw away or gave to my old roommate. I always have a habit of writing on two sides of paper and cringe around copy machines that only print stuff on one side of the paper. I think the best advice people need to hear when it comes to the environment is to stop buying things you don't need or even want. In rememberance of a Bill Mahr episodes I saw a few weeks ago: "Shiny things are going to be the death of us"

Our world isn't dying. It's just getting ready to boot us off. Global warming is a good thing. If we're lucky it will kill billions of people in a way that's easy on our morals and with less people the world's environmental problems will be eased.

regardless of the exact causes of not building a self-sufficient base in Antarctica, the truth is that there is no precedent for a self-sufficient base in a tough environment on Earth (poles, under the oceans), let alone outer space - there is not, in fact, proof that a self-sufficient-in-the-long-term base can be built with current technology even in Antarctica. In any case, there is the matter of bone-density loss: to even keep themselves in ok shape, our bones need g ~ 9.8, which is not found on the Moon or Mars. Ever since vertebrates first appeared, skeletons evolved to work at g ~ 9.8 - and it is a fact that lower gravities wreck them irreversibly. Fortunately no experiment has been done about a pregnancy or raising an infant at low gravity, but I wouldn't bet any money on its survival, let alone its health. Finally, it seems to me obvious that it would be alot easier to keep the Earth inhabitable than making another planet even vaguely inhabitable.

In any case, if the proposed 'answer' to climate change is culling the population via catastrophe - wouldn't lowering the birthrate be more humane and achieve the same thing? The least eco-friendly action possible is having kids. Popualtion control is not on the climate change agenda solely for political reasons: the conservatives don't want to even hear 'contraception', the liberals are stuck in a fantasy world.