Transgenderd Woman Sues Discriminating Catholic Hospital

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Speaking of going against nature, I'm suddenly feeling kind of guilty for wearing clothes and living in a house...

A cow is not a socially-constructed concept.



And who are you to say what is and isn't a good enough reason?



Her documents would reflect the fact that she is a woman. I don't care who uses the same public toilets as me. I don't tend to spend much time in there.

Finding something disgusting is a reason enough for discrimination, which it shouldn't even be included in an argument when it comes to issues about discrimination and equal rights.


Tecnically, surgeries like breast augmentation, breast reduction and any kind of cosmetic surgery would fall into the same "crime against nature".


I really don't know about transgenderism, but I believe that most transgenders don't agree with the view of being a disorder, I even heard few sexologists seeing it in a similar way as sexual orientation, therefore the question of why homosexuality not being a disorder if transgenderism is. I think there is the possibility of it being removed from DSM-IV like homosexuality was.

The problem I see to be most likely here, are the cultural and social norms more than anything and how that affects these people.

About suicide, well, I believe most wp members would not agree of autism being a cause of suicide.

I also agree, at first I thought she needed a surgery from a diagnosed condition and they refused just for being transgendered, which in that case, she would be right, but in this particular case, she just could look for another hospital.

I don't view it as a disorder. But it is still known as gender dysphoria, and that is what they will be diagnosed with.

Haha. Define prejudiced and misinformed. I definitely do not always do that.

You expect me to accept monstrosity.

"accept monstrosity" - that sounds prejudice to me, we can ask to define what monstrosity actually means, and where it would fit more accurately.

Depending on how people addresses this issue, saying things like monstrosity, against nature and disgusting, yes I can say that seems like prejudice, and misinformed, yes, because you really don't know about this issue, you said it yourself, I don't know either, so I can't really speak for it, I cannot judge and make any assumption to see if that is really bad, however, I point to one direction and ask the question, does this really causes any harm? just as I ask about homosexuality. I have noticed that it is easier for people to accept gays than transexuals, because in my view, the "disgusting" thinking has a lot to do with it.

Here's a thought.
What if the sexually misaligned were actually going about this in an entirely wrong way by changing the outside. When in fact, the issue at hand resides within their disordered souls and their confusion regarding their identities. What if there was a soul treatment to identify exactly and precisely how, when and why the problem manifested and offered a laser-precise way to re-assign the psyche's gender identity - restoring it to it's biological root - i.e. the one they were born into physically - bringing psyche and body into harmony...?

Would they still opt to have the surgery on their bodies knowing that such a psyche surgery was available?

There would be a lot of problems with somethign like that. I wouldn't trust that kind of treatment. IMO it's easier to change their external sex (which doesn't really matter tbh) to match their gender, than it would be to change who they are just to match their body.

I can't help but wonder that there are other psychological issues underlying the misaligned gendered, inherent and part of their basic personality structure that no amount of plastic surgery can ever fix.

There are plenty of transgendered people who live perfectly happy lives after their transition.

Well, unless you've actually taken a survey - it's hard to quantify the numbers and the level of their happiness or even to objectify what happiness actually ~is~ to a person, being that it is clearly a subjective reality for each individual and is clearly not a state of constancy but changes according to experience. No emotion is ever static - to say someone lives a happy life means 100 different things to a 100 different people. What may appear to one as being (seemingly) happy could actually be superficial gaity. Or vice versa - someone who appears to be down and *dejected* is actually a content and well-adjusted person with a great sense of well-being. Appearances are misleading. You can change the body into something else completely - but deep down nothing has changed. Traumas will remain traumas and fears, fears. One might feel *better* about themselves now that there is less scrutiny and finger pointing by an unforgiving society, but you know what - you're going to have to convince me that these people actually feel *good enough* inside about themselves years after the surgery, because - it was never about looks - it was and will always remain about identity.

Yeah
They identified as female (or male), and now their body matches that. That's what they wanted. Of course they'll still have problems in their life, but the suicide and depression statistics for pre-op transexuals suggest they're much better off after the surgery.

Not according to this article and the multitudes of others out there - this is just off the top of the list - http://www.firelily.com/gender/gianna/depression.html

Keywords, transgendered, emotional, post-op

I only found references to "post-operatives" in there twice