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27 Feb 2008, 10:01 am
bheid wrote:
To make sure they know their place below us? Take Liberties? Are we talking about wolves here?
of course. wolves are intelligent, social creatures with a pack nature. they communicate.
of course. wolves are intelligent, social creatures with a pack nature. they communicate.
Correct me if I misunderstod your previous statement...but you're saying you want wolves to know their place beneath us?
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but they've been romanticised by the media. you can't deny that?
I don't know about the media in those parts, I can see why such a thing is necessary. If people are going to protect wolves, or any endangered animal for that matter, they need to have their negative image lifted.
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I doubt farmers would hunt wolves to extinction, but I agree with SilverProteus' hunting license idea.
Also, why do people think that humans being the top species is inherently evil? in order to act as though we're the top, we need to squash other animals that try to harm us or damage our pursuits. we're animals too, you know.
Also, why do people think that humans being the top species is inherently evil? in order to act as though we're the top, we need to squash other animals that try to harm us or damage our pursuits. we're animals too, you know.
Leave the farmers to take it into their own hands and they will do damage. It's not good. They're worried solely about their cattle, and not about the wolves or maintaining a balance in numbers.
I never said I think humans are inherently evil for being the top species. I just think we're (as a species) too selfishly preoccupied with ourselves and not our planet.
Ecosystems included.
A hypothetical example: say we drive wolves to extinction. Let's say the rabbit population for example, in result, goes up in numbers and start to eat man's crops. There are less natural predators to control them. What then?
These things aren't as simple as 'just start to kill them'.
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27 Feb 2008, 1:06 pm
27 Feb 2008, 1:18 pm
dragonboy wrote:
thats wrong humans dont own animals
I happen to have a pet dog. His name's Muppet.
Here's an interesting ethical question: is it slavery to own a dog? It's certainly cruel to keep birds in cages. [/steal thread]
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27 Feb 2008, 1:28 pm
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I was being rhetorical. Probably not the best tactic for clarity.
Probably not.
I keep wondering if I should take you literally or not. Quote:
But that's the vibe I get from many people... [not necessarily you] It's sort of a masochistic guilt complex for being human instead of some other animal, hence they say farmers should suffer instead of the animals that eat their livestock.
I never said to just leave it to the farmers, but I do think the wolf hunting is correct.
I never said to just leave it to the farmers, but I do think the wolf hunting is correct.
The main problem with farmers is that they're entering wolf territory. The wolves were there first, but they're being pushed away because of growing farmlands, cities, civilization etc. So what do you do? Either you round up all the wild animals and put them in game parks, or you'll have this problem - the dispute for territory.
28 Feb 2008, 12:23 am
bheid wrote:
dragonboy wrote:
thats wrong humans dont own animals
I happen to have a pet dog. His name's Muppet.
Here's an interesting ethical question: is it slavery to own a dog? It's certainly cruel to keep birds in cages. [/steal thread]
Of course it isn't slavery. a dog, is a pet. yuo love and feed your pet. most of them wouldn't know what to do in the wild.
and you don't own a dog.
I happen to have an aunt who is a dog.
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