Austrian man kept daughter in cellar for 24 years

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03 May 2008, 7:19 am

I read some more articles. The father threatened to pump poison gas into the rooms if they disobeyed him. He told police that he had programmed the lock on the door to open if he was away for a certain length of time. They have to check that. He had also vacationed alone in other countries during the time that he kept his daughter and her children in the basement.

The mother did not know because the father made the daughter write a letter that she ran away from home and they should not look for her.

The father took great lengths to plan and execute this crime. He was probably quite sure that he was going to get away with it too. I wonder if other people knew about it -- friends. There was another case of a man kidnapping a girl and keeping her for years in Austria too. Maybe there is some type of ring of people who do this. If there is, they need to be discovered and prosecuted. I hope the Austrian police can do a good job.

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04 May 2008, 1:28 am

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Oh that.

Just watching it on TV now... again.

I'm in Germany (next to Austria...) so naturally I have it on TV all day long.

They just show the exacts of where the woman and her kids had to live and all.

Interviews.

Just imagine that 3 of those kids have never ever seen anything but this small apartment. 4 rooms, kitchen, bath... no windows.

I'm trying not to be offended by your post Ragtime. I find this to be quite hard though.

Living in Germany, having friends in Austria and being a proud German and European and all that.

I start to wonder if America has the same attitude of Europe as we Europeans have of America.

We preach exactly the same about America that you just said about Europe.

Well, to help put you at a further distance from offense, I almost added a mention that America also needs to wake up to the abuses being perpetrated around them and by their fellow Americans. I refrained from making this side point -- and only barely -- because I felt it diverted the point, and furthermore, that it should be common sense to all concerned that America also has problems. (I doubt there is a member on WP that doesn't have major objections to America, so I'd be preaching to the choir if I caused America's laundry list of problems to appear on this site for the umpteenth time.)

My point is most certainly about humanity as a whole.
But do allow a person to take issue "part" by "part".
Because, if I say, "Oh, we all have problems", that won't fix anything.
Problems have to be dealt with point by point, area by area, country by country,
or else nothing will get solved. I'm saying, here, that if people open their
country's history books, they shouldn't be "shocked" and in "disbelief".
That they claim they are is alarming.

Do you believe I should not be concerned with Austria because I am an American?
Isn't such a view bigoted? Austrians are allowed to criticize Austria, but I am not?
I reject that false premise.
I am human, they are human. They are my business
even though we are seperated by an ocean, cultures, and we speak different languages.
I don't speak as an American, but rather I speak as objectively as possible.

I take my satisfaction from knowing that those who profess their beliefs will be judged by them.

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04 May 2008, 8:39 am

Ragtime, you speak as an American consciously or not, with biases distinctly American. No one can ever be truly objective about anything since to be human is to be biased in some way. But if you want to take the moral high road and criticize Austrians anyway, go right ahead. Nevermind your own personal laundry list.

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04 May 2008, 7:11 pm

I don't think that this horror is uniquely Austrian. It just happens to have happened there.

BTW....

http://www.bigpond.com/news/world/conte ... 234976.asp

Can you believe this? This is definitely not anything an insanity defence would cover.

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04 May 2008, 8:05 pm

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Criminally insane is something I, if I were a prosecutor, would seek a lockup in an institution for the criminal insane indefinitely and not jail.

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05 May 2008, 2:05 am

Xelebes wrote:

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Criminally insane is something I, if I were a prosecutor, would seek a lockup in an institution for the criminal insane indefinitely and not jail.

The other inmates would eat him for breakfast in jail,
he molested his daughter since she was 11

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05 May 2008, 4:54 pm

sinsboldly wrote:

Xelebes wrote:

Quatermass wrote:

Criminally insane is something I, if I were a prosecutor, would seek a lockup in an institution for the criminal insane indefinitely and not jail.

The other inmates would eat him for breakfast in jail,
he molested his daughter since she was 11

Good. I read in Chopper Read's books that they pushed broom handles up the derrieres of rock spiders (child molesters and rapists in prison parlance). This guy deserves worse.

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05 May 2008, 5:46 pm

sinsboldly wrote:

Xelebes wrote:

Quatermass wrote:

Criminally insane is something I, if I were a prosecutor, would seek a lockup in an institution for the criminal insane indefinitely and not jail.

The other inmates would eat him for breakfast in jail,
he molested his daughter since she was 11

Into the mental institution he goes. The guy is a psychopath, no amount of incarceration is going to make the man not rescinding.

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05 May 2008, 6:24 pm

While institutionalized, Josef Fritzl might might be lied to by a psychiatrist! It's likely they will lie and mislead him for the remainder of his days ...

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06 May 2008, 12:47 am

Quatermass wrote:

sinsboldly wrote:

Xelebes wrote:

Quatermass wrote:

Criminally insane is something I, if I were a prosecutor, would seek a lockup in an institution for the criminal insane indefinitely and not jail.

The other inmates would eat him for breakfast in jail,
he molested his daughter since she was 11

Good. I read in Chopper Read's books that they pushed broom handles up the derrieres of rock spiders (child molesters and rapists in prison parlance). This guy deserves worse.

I belive you are mistaken, Quatermass, they push it up their anal cavity. :

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06 May 2008, 7:18 am

sinsboldly wrote:

Xelebes wrote:

Quatermass wrote:

Criminally insane is something I, if I were a prosecutor, would seek a lockup in an institution for the criminal insane indefinitely and not jail.

The other inmates would eat him for breakfast in jail,
he molested his daughter since she was 11

Around half of the inmates are sociopaths just like him.

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07 May 2008, 1:21 am

sinsboldly wrote:

Quatermass wrote:

sinsboldly wrote:

Xelebes wrote:

Quatermass wrote:

Criminally insane is something I, if I were a prosecutor, would seek a lockup in an institution for the criminal insane indefinitely and not jail.

The other inmates would eat him for breakfast in jail,
he molested his daughter since she was 11

Good. I read in Chopper Read's books that they pushed broom handles up the derrieres of rock spiders (child molesters and rapists in prison parlance). This guy deserves worse.

I belive you are mistaken, Quatermass, they push it up their anal cavity. :

Derriere = fancy word for butt.

I personally don't care how he is treated, I'd rather he end up in an institution where the psychopathy can be prodded and studied.

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07 May 2008, 1:49 am

Xelebes wrote:

sinsboldly wrote:

Quatermass wrote:

sinsboldly wrote:

Xelebes wrote:

Quatermass wrote:

Criminally insane is something I, if I were a prosecutor, would seek a lockup in an institution for the criminal insane indefinitely and not jail.

The other inmates would eat him for breakfast in jail,
he molested his daughter since she was 11

Good. I read in Chopper Read's books that they pushed broom handles up the derrieres of rock spiders (child molesters and rapists in prison parlance). This guy deserves worse.

I belive you are mistaken, Quatermass, they push it up their anal cavity. :

Derriere = fancy word for butt.

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(gasp) oh, wow. . .who knew that?

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07 May 2008, 1:50 pm

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Ragtime, you speak as an American consciously or not, with biases distinctly American. No one can ever be truly objective about anything since to be human is to be biased in some way.

Wipe the foam from your mouth, and realize that my phrase "as objectively as possible" means exactly that.
It means I'm trying my best.
It does not mean that I am claiming total objectivity. :roll:

Good grief.
What's your problem, anyway?

And, since you've just admitted to being biased -- by your definition: assuming you're a member of the human race --
then you'll admit to speaking as a Canadian, with biases distinctly Canadian, right?

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07 May 2008, 1:55 pm

sinsboldly wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Sora wrote:

I take my satisfaction from knowing that those who profess their beliefs will be judged by them.

Merle

I understand that by our judgments we will be judged, as Jesus said.

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