just curious but why is being a Muslim seen as being...

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How many Muslims are there here anyway? I know, via polls on PPR, the number of Christians is extremely low (like around 5% to 10%), but the Muslim population here I haven't really noticed except for here and there occasionally.

The American Fatwa does sound only like a verbal denunciation though.

Oh come on. You want one then you want 2 Muslim leaders condeming these attacks? Do you hear the Irish saying "sorry we blew up London?" because of the IRA campaigns? Search the BBC archieves and the universities where Muslim leaders tend to talk to people, even dare I say a mosque who condemn these violent acts, I mean I can't believe that you've never heard of Muslims apologising for these attacks. I mean do you watch too much of that CNN and Fox news? In the UK for example we hear loads of Muslims apologising for stuff and may I add that our news corporations are more balanced that's why we over hear hear lots of differing opinions.

Do some research Ragtime and open your mind.

"Muslim" is the new "Communist" The Neocons didn't like the fact that the cold war ended so they had to create a new boogyman. The BBC has a documentary on the parallel rise of Islamism and Neoconservatism that talks about this.

I'm not a huge fan of Islam, but then again, I'm not a huge fan of organized religion in general. Perhaps it's just a perception of mine, but it seems to me that Islam is practiced primarily in third world countries, which keeps it from modernizing the way Judeo-Christianity has. I think this is what in part gives it such a bad name, because many of it more unpleasant aspects (harsh Sharia law, misogyny, intolerance) have lingered in ways that they could not in more developed countries. I see horror stories about FGM, honor killings, indoctrination of children, etc, and what sort of conclusions am I supposed to draw? Many other religions have done just as bad, if not worse things, but have mostly moved on. I feel that if the leaders of Islam want to have a place on the world stage, they need to get with the times.

On a personal note, I worked with a mostly North African and Middle Eastern crew for nearly 3 years. My experience with them has not improved my opinions of Muslims, nor Arabs in general. Almost to a man, they cheated on their wives, cheated other people in business, treated their employees (me) like subjects, and generally acted like they were more human than human. They also kept up a constant stream of invective about what a sh***y country this (the USA) is, while seeking permanent citizenship. It was very difficult not to become bigoted in such a situation, and I'm not sure I emerged completely unscathed.

Nothing wrong with Muslims as long as you understand that the majority follow tradition and culture instead of following their religion. Not really different from Christians.



About being unpatriotic? Don't get your opinions from rednecks.

the majority of people that follow islam are perfectly decent people. there are the extreme few that do horrible things like the terrorist attacks, suicide bombings, torture people for not believing what they believe, not to mention the stuff that happens to women at the hands to these people.

one couldn't help but think all bad of a religion when all you hear about it is from the negative a$&holes that do horrible things and f*&k things up for all the decent people.
they act like they help their fellow muslims but all they are doing is making things worse.

the element that is causing all the problems is extremeism..

Islam has a very flat local organization.

Imman, learned, is the only position, who serves at the will of the Mosque.

Speaking for all Islam is the quick way to become ex-Imman.

Those who form organizations are self elected, and speak for themselves.

There are crazy people and criminals in the Islamic world, speeders and jaywalkers.

They have governments, most who were put in power by the Turks, then supported by the British.

The people have little to do with their imposed form of rule.

Islamic people disagree with each other, often at four way stop signs.

Many people did come here seeking a better life, and found PEOPLE!

America is a dream to many, and the reality a disappointment.

As my Latin American friends said, We love America, we love the people, now why dont you shut off the TV, get your ass off the couch, and do something about the world's problems? Only America could deal with the problems, and they do nothing till it turns into a war, then they show up, and have no idea why the war started. They shoot the enemy, and we all look like the enemy. When the rebels do not wear uniforms, they shoot everyone not wearing a uniform.

My Iranian friend said, we are Islamic because we are too poor to be Communists.

Islam is a very good system for those who are very poor, very uneducated, and a lot better than what they did before.

Christians are expected to support a Priest, the Imman had best have a job, he is an example of a working member of the community. He is just supposed to be the most educated, not to live off of the congration. Professional Iman does not exist, no school, degree, pay package with benefits, just a local example of a good man. He is to avoid contraversy. Politics are out.

The Islamic world is slightly more Islamic than the Christian world is Christian. That is because it is a social system, an active life. Still, you will not find everyone at the Mosque, perhaps as many as attend church, less than half. Ramadan is popular, less work, more pay, and feasting all night. They fast during the day, but are gluttens at night. As religion it rates with getting drunk on Christmas.

I think about 5% of Islamic people are really good, the rest are like the 95% everywhere else.

I can see so many things that are wrong with your statement(s).

Do some research man. There are so many walking contradictions there.