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I wrote hurtful things to racist haters of muslims.

Klytus should be proud to know that his squalling got mommy to come and threaten me.

I threatened right back. If you two keep posting about muslims need killing and people need guns, I will report all of you for racial hate to the proper authorities.

After William Freund, You would think one of you supposedly bright people would see the need to stop racist haters like Groovy and Klytus talking about killing .

Hey guys. Got another warning from the mods.

You guys want to play hardball, fine. I have copied your posts and reported you for hate.

http://www.mpac.org/home_article_display.aspx?ITEM=125

Hello. I am an honest person. I do my best to do what is right and fit in. I feel it is necessary to explain my speech patterns.

I participate in another forums. The people are very mean and hateful. I have been there so long, I no longer know what is proper speech and what is bad speech. The people in this other forums tell me to die, tell me to commit suicide, or say they hope someone kills me.

Nobody does anything.

So when I say someone is a "racist hater", to me, that is the mildest language imaginable. I am not here to flout the rules. I am speaking in a way that is approved at these other forums I participate in.

Here is an example of what they say to me.



The man plainly says he wants someone to kill me. And nobody did anything.

Can you understand why I felt the way I spoke was OK?

Happeh, might I recommend that the forum you quoted from is hardly the best place to hang out? If you don't like what they are doing, don't join them, leave them...

I see where you are coming from. That is not the sort of behaviour we tolerate here; based on the comment you pasted in it is easier to see why you reached the conclusion that other posters on this thread were advocating killing Muslims. Happeh, this site does not condone uncivil, abusive or threatening behaviour - anyone suggesting that another member should be killed doesn't last long on this site. You have nothing to fear here - I feel that in the light of the hostility you have experienced on other forums, you may have misinterpreted the points that people have been making. Other posters on this thread have expressed opinions which you have disagreed with, which you have the right to do. But nobody is making death threats, or preaching hate.

Can we now please continue this debate in a civil and respectful manner folks?

Thank you.

Yes, let's...

i'm completely with duncvis on this one, happeh (and have sent you a PM in reply to yours about the same subject).

it's appalling that you should have been subjected to that sort of behaviour, which is unforgivable. this is the reason we will not accept such personal attacks on WP.

Is it? I don't really see the relevance to WrongPlanet of comments made by random people on a completely different message board.

Yes Klytus, it is easy to see why a new member who has been subjected to high levels of personal abuse on other boards may interpret comments here in that light, not knowing how we work here.

Well, I was in an internet chat room once, and someone told me he wanted to rip my head off and s**t down my neck.

Do I think that's relevant to WrongPlanet? No.

But since we have started to talk about other websites, I could post some comments that are far more relevant to this thread.

(I see I'm not the first one to do a google search on happeh.)

Well, if Happeh wanted to air his concerns in a civil manner here, I am more than receptive. All religions are open to criticism. No religion, as far as I am concerned, has the right to threaten, suppress, or harm anyone over the alleged mistreatment of their icons. Most of the violence has been because of just that, the willingness of millions of people to kill each other over the possession of some really run-down old buildings. They obviously cannot build a temple within their own hearts. They also don't seem to understand that it costs a lot more to prosecute a war than it does to build a temple, a university, a shopping mall, and a moon rocket.

Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are one religion, not many. If someone feels insulted about that, the shoe fits. The Jewish just seem to be a little more subtle. How many of the Jewish Defense League have been arrested for terrorist acts in the U.S., and we still support Israel? One was just arrested a few days ago. The history of suicide bombings by certain Moslems is way too fresh. The depredations of Christianity are absolutely massive also, and Christianity as a religion is almost bearable sometimes.

I don't respect any religion to the point that I will accept their imposed limitations on any portion of my lifestyle. It's none of their business what I do with my unmentionables or my inconsequentials. It's none of their business what I read, write, look at, or draw. If you don't like the way I eat, don't watch me eat. One thing that all three of these religions have in common is that they make lousy neighbors. If they even think that there's something going on with me that they don't approve of, those arrogants so and soes think that they have the right to break into my house and find out. Much of that is superfluous because they will find me guilty even if there is no real evidence. How about that "spectral" evidence from back in New Salem in the 17th century? Real nice moves.

It's more than bigotry when I am nervous about any religion trying to dominate people. The fact is that these practices are deadly dangerous. The secrecy is dangerous, too. Ignorance is dangerous. Christianity was partially housebroken because people spoke out about the abuses and stopped letting them happen. It did some good, not as much as we think, but some. All of these religions, using the excuse of religious freedom, try to keep their abuses hidden. They have to. People who can think as free human beings don't stand for the abuse.

Hm. I disagree. I see what Klytus is saying. It seems like the moderators were apologetic to Happeh for something outside their control, that is, other people on other websites who had nothing to do with us or what we wrote. Happeh was verbally abusive in a personal way, and it has been explained away without a real apology from him.

Apparently, I and Remnant have been reported to some group for being hate-mongers, which is outrageous (see the post above). We endured several personal insults without becoming inflamed, and now are on Jesse Jackson's hit-list!

But it's all okay, because somebody on another website that I've never met or heard of or seen gave Happeh a hard time.

COME ON! GIVE ME A BREAK! Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

let me explain something here.

an awful lot of what the Moderators do is done privately. this is for several reasons, not least so that members are not humiliated or made to feel uncomfortable in public.

if happeh chooses to comment upon his interactions with the Moderators, that's up to him. i won't do so, as it's against site policy (and i agree most strongly with that).

apart from anything else, i don't see either dunc or myself being apologetic in our posts on this thread.

Yes, and I think this is what Klytus and I found rather strange: Happeh made a string of derisive comments, accusations, and then reported us to the World Hate Police.

We, on the other hand, wrote private messages to the moderators asking for an intervention in the name of good dialectic discussion.

Was I uncomfortable in public? You could say that. I suspect some others were, too. It was kind of WEIRD.

I don't want anyone humiliated, but it seems the other extreme came up: there were several messages consoling Happeh for his past experiences, and no mention that he would be changing his policy of scorched-earth dialogue in the future.

That was galling. I was content to let the whole thing disappear, until that happened.

Hm. That's because you don't understand all the definitions of 'to apologize'. It's secondary and tertiary definitions: to offer a defense or excuse of, to justify. (World Book Dictionary)

And this:



sure sounds like an excuse of Happeh's behavior to me. And this:



sounds like a justification of Happeh's behavior, not to us, but to his own conscience, in the form of sympathy. Maybe this doesn't sit well with me because Happeh lost my sympathy about the time he called me a coward and implied I am a murderer...

I'm sorry to bring this up again. I already feel forgiveness, but that doesn't change the situation regarding policy: I believe you and duncvis handled this badly in the public forum. You failed to clear the air. And now,



you explain to us how it is. Well, I don't accept your explanation, because I don't respect what you did. Not angry, not unforgiving, just disappointed.

No, it isn't. Its an explanation. Haven't you ever smashed a hoverfly because you were expecting a wasp? It wasn't an excuse for making personal attacks. Don't you DARE put words in my mouth.



Nobody's perfect. If you can do better, please explain to us exactly how we should have handled it. Actually, please don't, I've been patronised enough for one day.