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The NRA was caught sending a spy into an anti-gun group... should this case be prosecuted as a crime?
Yes, it is definitely criminal. 6%  6%  [ 3 ]
No, there was nothing wrong with what the NRA did. 51%  51%  [ 24 ]
Maybe, it isn't criminal, but it was definitely unethical. 43%  43%  [ 20 ]
Total votes : 47

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04 Aug 2008, 12:23 am

Politics: a strange pattern of behavior that leads to even stranger patterns of behavior.

I'm glad I decided to withdraw from the game.



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04 Aug 2008, 6:29 am

Were you running for president? :wink:



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04 Aug 2008, 7:48 am

when guns are banned from private ownership, the only people who would have guns are the criminals, the police and the army.

A few crimes might be committed with guns stolen from legitimate owners but most are committed by criminals. That is how it is in Canada anyway.



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04 Aug 2008, 8:24 am

I think it's safe to say that ALL crimes are committed by criminals...



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04 Aug 2008, 9:13 am

Yes, it is safe to say that. Legitimate gun-owners can turn into criminals in a heartbeat. All it takes is one lapse in judgement. What's to prevent a legit gun owner from threatening someone with the firearm and demanding his money, his car, or maybe just to win an argument? Gun-owners are not saints because of the weapons they carry, despite what the thugs here will tell you.



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04 Aug 2008, 9:59 am

Dox47 wrote:
If I recall, a few years ago Micheal Moore tried to hatch a plot where he would join the NRA and encourage his liberal audience to also join and elect him president so he could disband it, so it's not like they are the first to try something like this. As an on and off member of the NRA, I'm happy to see that they are doing something to fight back against some of these fringe groups, and not doing it with their hands tied either.


Keep in mind the NRA is not just conservatives. I know liberal and even left-of-liberal members, and one of them was even asked (but declined) to run a ... not sure the word, but run a... segment(?) of the organization for liberal and leftist gun owners.


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04 Aug 2008, 10:09 am

I support gun rights, but the NRA is just a group of lobbyists that can't deal with anything.



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04 Aug 2008, 3:12 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Yes, it is safe to say that. Legitimate gun-owners can turn into criminals in a heartbeat. All it takes is one lapse in judgement. What's to prevent a legit gun owner from threatening someone with the firearm and demanding his money, his car, or maybe just to win an argument? Gun-owners are not saints because of the weapons they carry, despite what the thugs here will tell you.


Well, I could go one step further to say what's to prevent a legitimate knife owner from threatening someone with a knife and making demands? Would you feel OK if people branded you a potential criminal by the mere fact that there is a knife in your house?



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04 Aug 2008, 3:14 pm

jrknothead wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Yes, it is safe to say that. Legitimate gun-owners can turn into criminals in a heartbeat. All it takes is one lapse in judgement. What's to prevent a legit gun owner from threatening someone with the firearm and demanding his money, his car, or maybe just to win an argument? Gun-owners are not saints because of the weapons they carry, despite what the thugs here will tell you.


Well, I could go one step further to say what's to prevent a legitimate knife owner from threatening someone with a knife and making demands? Would you feel OK if people branded you a potential criminal by the mere fac t that there is a knife in your house?

I have a phillips screwdriver and I know how to use it. This does not make me a criminal.



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04 Aug 2008, 4:48 pm

My brother knew her personally. He led an anti gun group.



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04 Aug 2008, 5:19 pm

jrknothead wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Yes, it is safe to say that. Legitimate gun-owners can turn into criminals in a heartbeat. All it takes is one lapse in judgement. What's to prevent a legit gun owner from threatening someone with the firearm and demanding his money, his car, or maybe just to win an argument? Gun-owners are not saints because of the weapons they carry, despite what the thugs here will tell you.


Well, I could go one step further to say what's to prevent a legitimate knife owner from threatening someone with a knife and making demands? Would you feel OK if people branded you a potential criminal by the mere fact that there is a knife in your house?


A number of years ago some feminazi types caused a stink by posting the names of 100 randomly chosen males students under the heading "potential rapists" on a campus bulletin board, probably becuase the possesed penises. Sounds like about the level of Slowmutant's reasoning.

BTW, did I just get called a "thug"?


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04 Aug 2008, 10:13 pm

I'm not a feminazi. I have a penis and am myself a potential rapist. The gun is a pretty blatant phallic symbol ...



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05 Aug 2008, 12:38 am

jrknothead wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Yes, it is safe to say that. Legitimate gun-owners can turn into criminals in a heartbeat. All it takes is one lapse in judgement. What's to prevent a legit gun owner from threatening someone with the firearm and demanding his money, his car, or maybe just to win an argument? Gun-owners are not saints because of the weapons they carry, despite what the thugs here will tell you.


Well, I could go one step further to say what's to prevent a legitimate knife owner from threatening someone with a knife and making demands? Would you feel OK if people branded you a potential criminal by the mere fact that there is a knife in your house?


I like how slowmutant deftly avoids this question, instead insisting he's not a feminazi (which nobody said he was)...

Anti gun people often behave like this when their unreasonable hypothetical scenarios are exposed.

All he can tell you is that "guns are bad and therefore must be banned", even though firearms are inanimate objects that have no moral or immoral qualities whatsoever... He would like us all to believe that somehow, when a gun is placed in the hand of an otherwise reasonable person, that person will automatically start behaving like a homicidal maniac.

Truth, logic, and common sense mean nothing to these people, the only thing that matters to them is winning the argument. I wonder, since he mentioned the possibility of this happening, would he be the type of person who would resort to deadly violence to win an argument when faced with no other option?

I don't even understand his reasoning that an argument can be won using violence...



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05 Aug 2008, 12:58 am

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I don't even understand his reasoning that an argument can be won using violence...


Well, he does try to bludgeon you with his faulty logic...


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05 Aug 2008, 1:02 am

Indeed...

I also have doubts about his assertion of having a penis... pics or it didn't happen...



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05 Aug 2008, 8:41 am

People can kill with a car, a knife, rat poison, even their bare hands.

I think it is really unfair for legitimate registered and responsible gun owners to be called criminals. Some people have guns for sport shooting, hunting or self protection in remote areas. Most people don't need to own a gun in the city because they can call the police for help and they will come in a few minutes. They could get killed in that response time but it would not matter if their attacker was trying to kill them with a gun, knife, car or bare hands and they were not armed or strong enough to fight back.

What is really the problem is that some people think human life is cheap. They think that they can threaten, rob, kill or do whatever they want with no respect to others.