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Ishmael
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28 Sep 2008, 10:15 am

Buddy, you are a transexual, so of course you would be biased.
Irrational fears?! I'm an independant scientist working with genetics!! Regardless of what you want; you. Cannot. Change. Your. Chromosomes.
If you become a woman; can you become pregnant? No. If you become a man, barring - again - surgeries to alter natural form, ie. Marrow sperm, you cannot make a woman pregnant. A DNA test will show whether you are really a man/woman.
It is, quite literally, unnatural. Plastic surgery in extremes. Regardless of how you want natural law to function; it won't. What are you now? ...and what do you think you are?
Do you tell people what you really are?
X and Y. That's it, plain and simple. Were we simple organisms without major genetic differences between males and females, then fine - whatever.
But you cannot expect to think your way into another sex! You are still the same sex, but with mutilated genitals! A "girl" who "used to be a guy", still is a guy! Just a guy with breast implants, artificial hormones, no testicles and an inverted penis! Not to mention dishonest, if they call themselves a girl. Hell, modern TV has many comedic examples of such situations, to boot!
There is physical law, there is desire.


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28 Sep 2008, 10:25 am

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Buddy, you are a transexual, so of course you would be biased.
Irrational fears?! I'm an independant scientist working with genetics!! Regardless of what you want; you. Cannot. Change. Your. Chromosomes.
If you become a woman; can you become pregnant? No. If you become a man, barring - again - surgeries to alter natural form, ie. Marrow sperm, you cannot make a woman pregnant. A DNA test will show whether you are really a man/woman.
It is, quite literally, unnatural. Plastic surgery in extremes. Regardless of how you want natural law to function; it won't. What are you now? ...and what do you think you are?
Do you tell people what you really are?
X and Y. That's it, plain and simple. Were we simple organisms without major genetic differences between males and females, then fine - whatever.
But you cannot expect to think your way into another sex! You are still the same sex, but with mutilated genitals! A "girl" who "used to be a guy", still is a guy! Just a guy with breast implants, artificial hormones, no testicles and an inverted penis! Not to mention dishonest, if they call themselves a girl. Hell, modern TV has many comedic examples of such situations, to boot!
There is physical law, there is desire.


Hey buddy, if you want to claim to be an expert on a topic, you should at least take the time to know the basics of the subject, which you haven't in the case. Also, as has been pointed out numerous times before sex and gender are two very different things -you are still referring to gender is sex. Gender's biggest component is thought processes. A transexual is only being dishonest if they say their male gendered when they were born male bodied as anyone who has researched the issue even on the surface could tell you. If you truly were a scientist you never would have hesitated to say that sex and gender are distinct entities as you would have been thinking of ther terms from the perspective of a scientist and not a lay person on the street. you would also know the basic science involved in transexuality which you have shown us you don't know and have no intention of ever knowing or accepting. Scientist are able to recognize that truth is truth even if if differs from their opinion which you have up to this point been adamantly refusing to do so. A scientist would know better to even attempt to make claims on an issue they hadn't studied, and then to ignore all evidence to the contrary of those claims when its pointed out to them. You've shown us that you don't know that. you would also be old enough to have logically earned a college degree in a field that would qualify you to be a scientist - that rules out most 17/18 year olds like yourself, and your statments in this thread indicate that its impossible for you to be a super genius who graduated highschool and college before he reached the age of 18 (and even if you still cared to lie online after earning such a degree, becoming a scientist would have resulted you in being a trained observer and so you would have knowledge to know just how transparent you are being with your lies in this thread and so would know how foolish it is to even attempt to pass off your statements as being factual.


The things I've told you about transexuals are undisputed by those who disagree with surgery but have researched transexuality. The fact that you can't accept that shows a lot about your irrational fear of transexuality. I don't know why you have such an intense fear of transexuals that you feel a need to act this way, and feel that doing so is less shameful than admitting to your fear of them, but like I said, I'm willing to help you overcome that fear. Just pm me if you want.

Your outbursts are making me lean towards the idea that you are a transexual and are afraid and ashamed of yourself, but like I said before more talk is needed. Right now we've only scratched the surface enough to see that you have an undeniable fear. It could take months or years of therapy to get down to the cause of that fear, and alot of that depends on your willingness to face up to what you are afraid of. Heretofor you've been showing that you'll distort the truth, then when proven to be lying, will throw out insults to try and hide the truth when someone has proven that your statements are false, so I don't expect you to get down to the base of your fear anytime soon, even with intense therapy


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28 Sep 2008, 11:01 am

What? You do know what you just did, don't you? You contradicted yourself!! Congratulations!
Tell me what chromosomal type you are, okay?

Are you saying it's not dishonest for a transexual to sleep with someone of their believed "opposite" sex.

And what's this garbage about fear, bad science and - now this is funny - "repressed transexuality". Ha! You aren't serious, are you? Why would I be afraid of transexuals? Just because you deny the reality of it; doesn't give me any reason to do anything but pity you.

Oh, and - get this - you do realize those "accepted" theories on transsexuality are fringe theories? They may seem major to you, but I doubt you'd have had experience outside of those theories. You want to be a psychologist; you should know what that complex is called.

The reality is you must accept you cannot become the sex you desire. Surgery can make you, vaguely, resemble that sex - but it's superficial. Too bad. Nothing can be done.

Oh, and don't call me a liar ever again. You have no idea what my situation is, so stuff it. Just because you don't like having your fringe theory bubble bursted, well, too bad.
I'm a realist - take it or leave it.

What is your chromosomal type? What are you really?


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28 Sep 2008, 11:21 am

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What? You do know what you just did, don't you? You contradicted yourself!! Congratulations!
Tell me what chromosomal type you are, okay?

Are you saying it's not dishonest for a transexual to sleep with someone of their believed "opposite" sex.

And what's this garbage about fear, bad science and - now this is funny - "repressed transexuality". Ha! You aren't serious, are you? Why would I be afraid of transexuals? Just because you deny the reality of it; doesn't give me any reason to do anything but pity you.

Oh, and - get this - you do realize those "accepted" theories on transsexuality are fringe theories? They may seem major to you, but I doubt you'd have had experience outside of those theories. You want to be a psychologist; you should know what that complex is called.

The reality is you must accept you cannot become the sex you desire. Surgery can make you, vaguely, resemble that sex - but it's superficial. Too bad. Nothing can be done.

Oh, and don't call me a liar ever again. You have no idea what my situation is, so stuff it. Just because you don't like having your fringe theory bubble bursted, well, too bad.
I'm a realist - take it or leave it.

What is your chromosomal type? What are you really?


I have not contradicted myself in any way shape or form. I've been making the same statements throughout. And all of which are easily proven by anyone who takes the time to look into the authoritative bodies on the matter. Gender and sex are two very different things, and a transexual saying they are the male gender when born male sex would be nothing short of a blatant lie - as anyone with even a tiny bit of experience in studying or practicing science or psychology could tell you.

Once again you are launching into insults to hide from facing the truth. That isn't normal and it isn't healthy. It is a sign of a pretty deeprooted psychological fear.

As long as you are going to be making statments on an issue that anyone who spent 2 seconds researching the topic could tell are a lie, I'm going to call you a liar. If you don't like it, the solution is simple - stop lying and a do a little research to get the truth on a subject before posting about it. People will describe you the way you show them you are, and in every post up to this point you have proven beyond any possible doubt that you are liar. When you stop lying, I'll stop calling you a liar.

A fringe theory is one that is not commonly accepted. Everything I've said about transexualness is commonly accepted amongst professionals.


You tell me why you are afraid of transexuals - you have shown beyond any reasonable doubt that you have a deeprooted irrational fear of them and what they are. You wouldn't have considered acting this way in this thread, distorting wellknown facts, and denying the most reputable sources on the issue of transexualness unless you were afraid of what transexuality is. Someone who just disagrees of it would not need to distort the truth at all, would not need to contradict the most authoritative sources on the issue and would not consider launching into insults every time their lies had been proven to be lies. Those are actions that are all rooted in fear of the truth.

As i've told you more than once before, if you want to proclaim yourself an expert on a topic you have to take the time to do at least a tiny bit of research on it. Every post here you have said something that any one who has done that would say is a lie without a doubt, even those who don't support transexual surgery. If you want people to take you seriously you can't just spew lie after lie. You have to get the facts of the matter first. A realist wouldn't be afraid to deal with the reality of the situation surrounding transexuals. Your refusal to accept well known facts and your immediate launch into insults whenever you can't deny that you have been proven to be lying, shows that you aren't approaching this subject with anything even remotely resembling a realist view point. Your behavior in this thread is even more pitiful than your behavior a few months ago when you also used the "I know all about psychological disorders because I'm a scientist" argument and then when proven that you didn't have the slightest clue about the disorders you were claiming to know all about said that the DSM-IV-TR was an unreliable source.

Realistic thinking requires accepting reality as being real even if it disagrees with your opinion of the way thinks want to. You're posts in this thread show that you are completely terrrified of accepting the reality of transexuals. If you were a realist, you would not have disputed anything I have said, regardless of whether or not you support transexuals having surgery


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28 Sep 2008, 11:56 am

Again with this mythological "fear" of yours? You distort scientific process and foundations of a realist by base assumptions of my character; your direct involvment bias' you, still you consider me a liar for pointing out the flaws and contradictions your literalist interpretations and fringe theories hold. How very inefficient and unproductive. Try independent reasoning, for a change. Oh, you still havn't said what you really are.
Genetics, genetics. They are real.

Do you even understand my purpose in this argument? Of course you don't, you've invented this "fear" notion. Quaint. How very Dr. Phil.
Scientific process; "professionals", at odds. Selective reasoning - that engaged by yourself - is often flawed.

A summary; I have physiological evidence towards the truth of the matter, you hold psychological theory towards your first hand perspective.

As is my philosophy, I must state reality - regardless of whether it is palatable.

You, however, have tested my patience. So be it; I am done with you. You may continue to live in ignorance, that worst of crimes, until your dying day. Caught in the tide of others' process, hitching along wheresoever it does suit you.
A chance for reflections missed; continue to quote those you have chosen as master - or rather who's actions and views have had yourself drawn to such a state.

You seem to have played little regard to interdependency of psychology and physiology; citing psychological importance over physiological. Foolishness! Your arguments are typical of your class, so be it. Perhaps next time you may consider all perspectives before making judgment, instead of making base accusations on my life and assuming I have not considered those same perspectives? You are tainted by emotional ties; I regret you make the assumption others must do so, too.

Keep in mind facts are fluid.


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28 Sep 2008, 12:02 pm

FWIW I support transexuals having GR surgey, but I still think it's pretty damned unnatural. I understand that some individuals are born unevenly sexed, so to speak, and that this is what they need to function as human beings.



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28 Sep 2008, 12:04 pm

I reiterate, as long as you are lying I will call you a liar.

Next time you want to play hard ball with the big boys, Ishmael, take sometime to find out what the ball looks like before you start swinging.

I understand your purpose in this thread very clearly. Heretofor you have been doing nothing spewing lies and throwing out insults when the truth is proven to you. Its quite clear you are adamently trying to pretend your lies are truth and are hoping those who know the truth will back off so others will be fooled by your childish attempts to hide the truth

I have not invented any fear notion - had you studied psychology, as you would have needed to do, in order to make the statements about psychological disorders that you previously had, you would know your behavior here is a classical manifestation of a deeprooted psychological fear of the issue involved. Had you studied science you would know you don't even have something as seolid as quick sand under your feet in this issue.

I'm sorry to see you aren't willing to overcome your irrational fear and look at the truth behind the issue at hand, but then that can be expected given the fear of transexuals you are projecting. I hope you overcome this fear before it does you any serious longterm harm


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28 Sep 2008, 12:17 pm

Again, fool, accusations and base statements about my life.
Yet again do you bring up this mythological "fear"! No less, do you now proceed to call me childish, and suggest I am "covering up" my "lies".
Petty, petty.

Where does your "fear" myth cone from? Have I called you "it", or "he/she"? No! I have asked you to rationally explain your position; you retaliate emotionally. How very low class.

I've often found that those who label another liar in an argument are themselves only afraid of truth. You keep mentioning how I, apparently, have no psychological or scientific understanding. Yet, you have not told me what your chromosomal type is, you lash out emotionally, and - a typical denial reaction, accuse another of what you yourself feel!
You're vehement arguments on your side are indicative of regret, even. You don't want to consider possibilities against the options you chose in your past. Your arguments are emotionally biased, therefore invalid. Learn scientific method yourself before accusing another of needing the same.

I'd bid you good day, but I quite find I don't like you. Perhaps if you hadn't insisted on branding me liar with nothing more than your limited opinion?


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28 Sep 2008, 12:19 pm

Transsexualism. As a notion, it makes a lot of people uncomfortable, myself included. But where do you get off accusing us of fear and cowardice? It's ironic that trannies would accuse the cisgendered folk of having poorer self-acceptance.



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28 Sep 2008, 12:26 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Transsexualism. As a notion, it makes a lot of people uncomfortable, myself included. But where do you get off accusing us of fear and cowardice? It's ironic that trannies would accuse the cisgendered folk of having poorer self-acceptance.


Slowmutant, you have not done anything that shows fear or cowardice. Though I've seen you post confusion and disagreements over transexuality, I haven't seen you throw insult and make up lies about your position in life to avoid having to face the truth in regards to transexuality.

In fact, I almost pointed you out as an example to Ishmael of how someone who disagreed with the issue and wasn't afraid of it would typically act, but I felt that waas unnecessary, and I'd be largely going on memory unless I took the time to look through your posts to make sure you are the poster who is uncomfortable with transexuality because of religion and admits he doesn't understand how people can think that way


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