ND House Passes Abortion Ban

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Who asked you?

Why do pro-lifers have such contempt for women who don't share their belief systems or opinions?

It dates back to ancient Greece, roughly around 4 BC, and is considered a historic symbol of basic medical ethics, which boils down to providing equal, humane care with confidentiality. It is not a mandate or legal document. As for when it became optional, I have no idea, but per the American Medical Association:

"The AMA does not have formal policy related to the Oath. Some of the tenets of the Oath represent long-standing ethical traditions that the AMA supports, while others are somewhat outdated."

"Because most oaths and codes are administered by voluntary associations and not by regulatory agencies (such as the state agencies that issue licenses to practice medicine), the most serious disciplinary action these voluntary associations typically can take is to expel the member physician from the association."

So in other words, there is no ethics in modern medicine? No sworn ethics to which doctors hold themselves? Nothing at all?

Of course there are. They're simply dictated by the AMA, state, and federal law, not a document from ancient Greece that references the Greek pantheon of gods and prohibits doctors from performing abortions.

How did you come to that conclusion? The ethics adhered to by doctors arise from their study and practice of medicine, not by the application of laws concocted in some legislative body. Ethics voluntarily taken on and voluntarily adhered by a sincere desire to do the right thing are far more powerful than rules imposed by people with guns.

You problem, Mutant, is too much God and too little logic.

ruveyn

Rape is a brutal traumatizing experience that can scar someone forever. Getting pregnant against your will is awful. Why should the woman be punished for minding her own business?



Eggs are not people! They are not even people at 3 months. Get your head out of the bible and learn the science of pregnancy.

I agree.

I think it would be bad enough to be raped. But to be forced to continue with a pregnancy, well, to me, that would seem like the law (and those sought to enforce that law), were prolonging the rape. It would be like the rape wasn't a fleeting and traumatic experience, it would be like a nine month long rape. In such circumstances, if, say, a court ruled that I wasn't permitted to have an abortion, I would feel raped twice over, by the original rapist and also by the judicial system.

Imagine, if you will, slowmutant, since male rape is possible. Imagine that you were raped, sodomised while out one night, by a stranger, who attacked you, physically injured you. And you wanted to put that experience behind you as soon as possible. Now compare that with a different kind of experience, say you are abducted and raped and held for nine months against your will, for nine months of your life, your life isn't your own, someone else dictates what you can and can't do, don't you think that such a prolonged experience would be much more traumatic and harmful psychologically?

That is your conclusion.

Based on several of your posts.

Do you know what a non sequitor is? Sure you do.

ruveyn

slowmutant you are digging yourself deeper and deeper... for someone who thinks that rape is no big deal compared to a fertilized egg (something that is about 5 cells big)... you have a lot of gall posting on this thread.

I think it's time to stop picking on slowmutant. The fact that you disagree with his opinions, or the way he presents them, is not an excuse for personal attacks.

I've been following his posts for quite a while now, and discovered early on that his views on topics involving religion are nowhere near as extreme as those alot of our members hold. He is even willing to talk compromise on a lot of these issues. His view of the world is very different than an Atheist's, because his religion is a basic part of him. Even if you disagree with his religion, you should admire the way he lives it.

Remember that we are all different here on WP... our autism affects each of us differently. You must respect those differences.

my opinions come from a mix of legal and science:

Fetuses and Embryos may not be considered a person, yet they certainly are humans. A species is described as a group of organisms that can produce viable offspring who can in turn create viable offspring indefinately. unless they procreated with an ape than the offspring is certainly human. And in the UN's declaration of human rights it states that all humans have the right to life.

This opinion is from religion:

God have gave us the choice to love, and if there is a choice to love, that naturally means that there is a choice not to love. Like wise if we have the choice to terminate the pregnancy we have the choice to let the baby live. It would be a greater expression of love towards our child to have the decision to keep the child.

Well, I've seen him make personal attacks on other members so until he stops, I think other members are entitled to do the same to him

While that may be true in the outside world, here on WP attacks on other people are strictly forbidden.

If I've seen slowmutant cross the line, I've said something to him. I'm not everywhere, I try to limit my time on WP so I can get other things done on my computer

Try to put yourselves in his shoes, walk around in them for a while, see the world through his eyes before you pass judgement on him.

To be fair, don't you think he should do the same?

I don't recall attacking him personally but the responses he's made to most people here are more likely going to get a reaction..

Also, I have not seen many members here attack him the same way he has been attacking other members. I'm willing to accept that SM isn't a horrible person but he's so far hasn't shown most members here who disagree with him much respect in words of refute.

I think we can debate but one must ask where there's a limit when it comes to personal attacks and insulting insinuations about members here.

Just my thought...you don't have to agree but I don't think favoritism is such a good idea when there's something behind these "attacks" or retaliations.