Heading to a national park? Now you can pack heat
John_Browning
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Hey there now. Seattle is worse than NYC in every category but murder and robbery, according to here, and NYC ain't too much worse in those two.
And NYC is doing worse when it comes to crimes that you need guns for.
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I think you misunderstood me. When I said “Do you believe that the owner or CEO of a business has the right to deliberately lose money?” I was not referring to a desire to cause pain, injury, or distress to another. Just because an owner or CEO deliberately bankrupts a company does not necessarily mean that he has a deep-seated often unexplainable desire to see another suffer. If I get in my truck and deliberately drive without any concern for the health and well being of myself or others just because I feel like it or that it feels good or for that matter I might even be playing solitaire on my laptop while driving and I run one or two people down doesn’t necessarily mean that I was malicious. It simply means that I don’t give a rat’s a.. about anyone. Do you think I have the right to do that?
Furthermore don’t think such people do not exist. I happen to know several of them.
I'm not sure I see your point, reckless driving and fiduciary irresponsibility are not exactly comparable things. If you own a business, it's yours to do with as you please, just like any other piece of property. Anyone who works for you or does business with you is on their own hook as far as doing their due diligence on how you run your business before they get involved with you, but they don't have any say in how you handle your own property.
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the 2nd amendment hasn't been honored for a very long time. the language is clean and concise but for some reason is often reinterpreted.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
the national guard doesn't qualify as a state's "...well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State..." as they can be commanded or commandeered by federal powers. law enforcement comes close but violent street gangs fit the same criteria.
regardless, too much 2nd amendment discussion focuses on the first half of the amendment, with little or no attention to "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
if i, as an individual, am authorized to keep and bear arms by the 2nd amendment, that right is not to be infringed. that means there's no reason why i shouldn't be allowed to have comparable weapons to those of the federal government. that means assault weapons, high caliber machine guns, rocket launchers, chemical weapons (c.s. teargas; o.c. "pepper" spray; etc), and even nuclear weapons.
or it means we should all be allowed to carry weapons capable of firing two shots per minute and not capable of hitting anything at long range. weapons pretty much only good for shooting people on your property or defending against a group raiding your township (if you have help).
times change. the constitution changes. that's why we had the 18th amendment. that's why, when we realized prohibition was stupid, we had the 21st amendment.
i don't object to people who are already legally allowed to carry weapons being allowed to carry them into national parks. it should be noted that the decision doesn't actually provide this authorization, it simply allows individual states to make the decision (as free states should).
what i object to, is how this law was enacted.
what does this law have to do with credit card holder rights?
why isn't anyone bothered by this?
this is the same as if a comprehensive bill on campaign finance reform that everyone liked had a little note put in it that legalized gay marriage.
i support gay marriage. i don't support that kind of (excuse the cliche term) back-room deal.
the 2nd amendment was the best thing the founding fathers did to protect future politicians from having to deal with real issues. it's a perfect headline stealer for the right and the left alike.
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For the record, I agree in that I don't like how this was done, even if I support the change in the law. I've never quite understood how unrelated items can get tacked on to bills in the legislator, it just seems so fundamentally wrong and prone to abuse, but I suppose that could be said about most of our government. I'm pragmatic enough not to look this particular gift horse in the mouth though, the Dems have inflicted enough poison pills on us law abiding gun owners that I'm not shedding any tears that they have to swallow one.
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Dox47 wrote:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/malice
I think you misunderstood me. When I said “Do you believe that the owner or CEO of a business has the right to deliberately lose money?” I was not referring to a desire to cause pain, injury, or distress to another. Just because an owner or CEO deliberately bankrupts a company does not necessarily mean that he has a deep-seated often unexplainable desire to see another suffer. If I get in my truck and deliberately drive without any concern for the health and well being of myself or others just because I feel like it or that it feels good or for that matter I might even be playing solitaire on my laptop while driving and I run one or two people down doesn’t necessarily mean that I was malicious. It simply means that I don’t give a rat’s a.. about anyone. Do you think I have the right to do that?
Furthermore don’t think such people do not exist. I happen to know several of them.
I'm not sure I see your point, reckless driving and fiduciary irresponsibility are not exactly comparable things. If you own a business, it's yours to do with as you please, just like any other piece of property. Anyone who works for you or does business with you is on their own hook as far as doing their due diligence on how you run your business before they get involved with you, but they don't have any say in how you handle your own property.
I own my truck and I can do with as I please. Anyone who gets in front of my truck is on their own hook as far as doing their due diligence on how I run my truck before they step in front of me and they don’t have any say in how I drive my truck.
One word: Asinine. It was an invalid comparison the first time, aping my post doesn't change that one bit. Endangering other people's safety through recklessness is a completely different animal than running a business, where the worst than can happen is people lose money. I don't know what exactly the point you're trying to make is, but you're going to need a new analogy, cause this one doesn't work.
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