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01 Jun 2020, 2:56 pm

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I got harassed by people of all colors for being on the spectrum.

At no point would I ever think it was appropriate to call a black person the n-word.


I have often heard of the words real meaning to be defined as an ignorant person, therefore I would call it a fair use to counter words like ret*d.


That's not what the word means in modern society. Pretending that it just means "ignorant person" is, in itself, massively ignorant.

Frankly, if you decide to call a black person that and you get punched, I won't feel even a bit sorry for you.


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01 Jun 2020, 3:01 pm

Also, not to be pedantic, but "an ignorant person" means a person who ignores things.

Ignorant does not mean rude.

The only reason the term "gaslighting" came into this thread is because people in the media are blaming victims of police brutality for being upset. It has nothing to do with the examples you (Bravo) have described. That's straight out bullying, on your part and the part of the people who ridiculed you.


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01 Jun 2020, 3:03 pm

Ignorance means not knowing.


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01 Jun 2020, 3:04 pm

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Ignorance means not knowing.


Yes. For example, not knowing the facts or ignoring the facts.


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01 Jun 2020, 3:05 pm

It means lack of knowledge or awareness, not ignoring. :wink:


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01 Jun 2020, 3:13 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
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I got harassed by people of all colors for being on the spectrum.

At no point would I ever think it was appropriate to call a black person the n-word.


I have often heard of the words real meaning to be defined as an ignorant person, therefore I would call it a fair use to counter words like ret*d.


That's not what the word means in modern society. Pretending that it just means "ignorant person" is, in itself, massively ignorant.

Frankly, if you decide to call a black person that and you get punched, I won't feel even a bit sorry for you.



I have only went there a small number of times, mostly in grade school, but I also once had to approach a fair housing issue where I gave fair warning to the company owners about how his employees were offended by my studder, so I explained how I could accommodate that problem but it would be at a cost for other offenses. The owner fired the employees that had a problem with my speech.



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01 Jun 2020, 3:17 pm

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I'd argue that since that meaning didn't stick that's interesting but not necessarily relevant. It might become more relevant in the future if the most common current usage spreads into 'mainstream' dialects.


Oh sure, more an interesting tidbit than anything. I also once heard an explanation of the full hard-r N-word as having the meaning "one who hates the oppressor" as an explanation as to why some black people use it for each other but take offense when white people do. Though I havent found a source for that claim, so that might have been someones personal interpretation.


It's entirely dialectical. AAVE is non-rhotic, while many white American accents are rhotic. Non-rhotic accents drop (or sometimes just reduce) Rs in places, like in the terminal position, or when they follow a vowel and precede another consonant (like how it's Faud when an English rally commentator is giving the commentary, instead of Ford.)


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01 Jun 2020, 3:29 pm

Bravo5150 wrote:
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I got harassed by people of all colors for being on the spectrum.

At no point would I ever think it was appropriate to call a black person the n-word.


I have often heard of the words real meaning to be defined as an ignorant person, therefore I would call it a fair use to counter words like ret*d.


The word is clearly descended from the Spanish and Portuguese word for black, negro. I would suggest that attempting to deny this would make one ignorant, but it wouldn't make them who the word has always been aimed at.


I am aware of the point you made about it's origin, but I am going with the idea of comedians like Chris rock and Eddie Griffin have both explained in their acts that there is a difference between a black person and a person resembling the N-word. Check out the acts titled "Bring the Pain" by Chris Rock and "You Can Tell 'Em I Said It" by Eddie Griffin. Those performances will give you a better idea of what I am talking about.

I've seen Rock's version of separating black people and n****rs. The problem is everyone who hears you use it will assume the worst. It's better to avoid words with a racial connotation, so monkey is off the table for black people as well, that one is my own pet hate that I can't use it on black people, and not just for the insult way as it can be affectionate, but it's the same reason, they'll assume the worst, and so will anyone else in earshot. Just look up what happened with "coolest monkey in the jungle".



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01 Jun 2020, 3:35 pm

Drake wrote:
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Bravo5150 wrote:
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I got harassed by people of all colors for being on the spectrum.

At no point would I ever think it was appropriate to call a black person the n-word.


I have often heard of the words real meaning to be defined as an ignorant person, therefore I would call it a fair use to counter words like ret*d.


The word is clearly descended from the Spanish and Portuguese word for black, negro. I would suggest that attempting to deny this would make one ignorant, but it wouldn't make them who the word has always been aimed at.


I am aware of the point you made about it's origin, but I am going with the idea of comedians like Chris rock and Eddie Griffin have both explained in their acts that there is a difference between a black person and a person resembling the N-word. Check out the acts titled "Bring the Pain" by Chris Rock and "You Can Tell 'Em I Said It" by Eddie Griffin. Those performances will give you a better idea of what I am talking about.

I've seen Rock's version of separating black people and n****rs. The problem is everyone who hears you use it will assume the worst. It's better to avoid words with a racial connotation, so monkey is off the table for black people as well, that one is my own pet hate that I can't use it on black people, and not just for the insult way as it can be affectionate, but it's the same reason, they'll assume the worst, and so will anyone else in earshot. Just look up what happened with "coolest monkey in the jungle".


My point in explaining Chris Rocks distinction was meant to distinguish a worst. When used as a response to being called a ret*d, it goes towards the observation that if I am a ret*d, I at least can make an attempt to learn and fail from trying opposed to the N-word translates to failing because the person is too lazy to learn or try.



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01 Jun 2020, 3:46 pm

Bravo5150 wrote:
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I got harassed by people of all colors for being on the spectrum.

At no point would I ever think it was appropriate to call a black person the n-word.


I have often heard of the words real meaning to be defined as an ignorant person, therefore I would call it a fair use to counter words like ret*d.


The word is clearly descended from the Spanish and Portuguese word for black, negro. I would suggest that attempting to deny this would make one ignorant, but it wouldn't make them who the word has always been aimed at.


I am aware of the point you made about it's origin, but I am going with the idea of comedians like Chris rock and Eddie Griffin have both explained in their acts that there is a difference between a black person and a person resembling the N-word. Check out the acts titled "Bring the Pain" by Chris Rock and "You Can Tell 'Em I Said It" by Eddie Griffin. Those performances will give you a better idea of what I am talking about.

I've seen Rock's version of separating black people and n****rs. The problem is everyone who hears you use it will assume the worst. It's better to avoid words with a racial connotation, so monkey is off the table for black people as well, that one is my own pet hate that I can't use it on black people, and not just for the insult way as it can be affectionate, but it's the same reason, they'll assume the worst, and so will anyone else in earshot. Just look up what happened with "coolest monkey in the jungle".


My point in explaining Chris Rocks distinction was meant to distinguish a worst. When used as a response to being called a ret*d, it goes towards the observation that if I am a ret*d, I at least can make an attempt to learn and fail from trying opposed to the N-word translates to failing because the person is too lazy to learn or try.

No one would ever think that's what you were trying to say though.



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01 Jun 2020, 4:42 pm

So, back on topic; the independent autopsy report into the killing of George Floyd returned results that are at odds with the county examiner's report, but much more consistent with what the video shows. The independent report describes the cause of death as asphyxia due to neck and back compression in contrast with the county's autopsy which returned no findings to support traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.


https://globalnews.ca/news/7012541/asph ... d-autopsy/
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... d-1008625/
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/86721913 ... y-asphyxia


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01 Jun 2020, 4:46 pm

So the whole "mysterious underlying heart condition" was bovine excrement?

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01 Jun 2020, 4:50 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
So, back on topic; the independent autopsy report into the killing of George Floyd returned results that are at odds with the county examiner's report, but much more consistent with what the video shows. The independent report describes the cause of death as asphyxia due to neck and back compression in contrast with the county's autopsy which returned no findings to support traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.


https://globalnews.ca/news/7012541/asph ... d-autopsy/
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... d-1008625/
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/86721913 ... y-asphyxia


What did the private report say in contrast to some uncertainty initial report regarding toxicology?



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01 Jun 2020, 4:53 pm

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^ same for me.

In my work, just for being white, I can fix problems for people of color because people In power will respect and listen to me. And they won’t listen to and respect my clients. I can do this by virtue of white privilege.


Are you saying that you never get harassed or ridiculed by minorities for being on the spectrum?


That is irrelevant to the current topic.

In any case, I prefer not to titrate my behavior in response to the behavior of others.


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01 Jun 2020, 4:54 pm

In my opinion, it doesn't matter if he had terminal cancer, a heart condition, and was choking on a pretzel. He did not deserve to be body slammed, or have someone kneel on his neck as he begged for air helplessly, in handcuffs, without assistance.

Police are paid to protect us, not to kill people or help us out the door.

Thank goodness there is a proper autopsy, though.


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01 Jun 2020, 5:01 pm

^ Exactly.


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