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15 Oct 2023, 2:14 pm

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Does anyone know if Israel's ground offensive has started yet? I thought that it would of started by now.

I've seen tanks arriving at the border on the news.

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15 Oct 2023, 2:15 pm

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If only trump were president. He said if he were president this would have never happened. Same with putin invading Ukraine. This is what it's costing the world not to have donald trump as potus. Hopefully Biden's body double, that's being pupped by Obama, steps aside and allows the true winner of the 2020 election to restore peace in the middle east by reminding all parties involved that jared kushner made some sort of real estate deal that ended all of this nonsense. I'm sure they just forgot about whatever trump tower was proposed and all the jobs and tourism it's going to bring and as soon as trump is president again everything will be bigly tremendous again, again.

I guess I figure a little dark orange spray tanned humour is better than talking about a bunch of slaughtered kids. Not a lot any of us can do about it besides read some stats in the news and see what happens next.

(Sigh) If only!

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15 Oct 2023, 2:32 pm

Jono wrote:

Does anyone know if Israel's ground offensive has started yet? I thought that it would of started by now.

It was supposed to happen yesterday but it rained heavily.

Also China was pushing for a resolution as mediator. I don’t think it worked.

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15 Oct 2023, 2:37 pm

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Obliterating HAMAS is next to impossible. Because HAMAS uses the entire population of Gaza as its human shield. Indeed thats part of the intent. To purposely goad Israel into creating collateral damage in Gaza on purpose to radicalize the population.

In that case it's working. Even Palestinians and muslim Arabs here in Australia are openly calling for "gassing the jews". So far nobody has been arrested. The French government at least has some sense
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/euro ... index.html

Meanwhile Palestinians outside Gaza are getting involved in pro-HAMAS propaganda.
This Palestinian owned pizza joint (Eiffel Bakery) in Israel rather stupidly used images of a holocaust survivor;s image (paraded around by HAMAS) to sell pizza on facebook.

For their effort the prime minister Netanyahu has told the owners their establishment will be destroyed

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15 Oct 2023, 2:40 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Jono wrote:

Does anyone know if Israel's ground offensive has started yet? I thought that it would of started by now.

It was supposed to happen yesterday but it rained heavily.

Also China was pushing for a resolution as mediator. I don’t think it worked.

Listened to news 5 min ago, correspondent on the ground is watching the IDF keep building up more troops on the border.Numbers have swelled due to reservists in Israel and volunteers from overseas,

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15 Oct 2023, 5:01 pm

I keep thinking that if you had a baby and needed clean water for formula and how awful that would be.No way to wash diapers and just regular basic human needs.
More dead babies won’t bring the others back.

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15 Oct 2023, 5:02 pm

^^^ Hate crimes are being carried out on Jews and Muslim or Palestinian Americans.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ate-crimes

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“It’s as if the Hamas attacks were the beginning of the conflict, and everything before that never happened,” said Ussama Makdisi, a professor of history at University of California at Berkeley.

Makdisi noted “how quickly and strongly” US corporate, university and political leaders expressed sympathy for victims of violence in Israel.

“But they have not expressed any kind of empathy for Palestinian victims of violence,” he said. “It is dehumanizing. The silence in the face of genocidal violence devalues Palestinian life, and it sends a message to Palestinian Americans: you’re on your own.”

I feel like people are focusing on the pro-Hamas stuff and are making over-generalizations about diverse groups of people rather than on considering more basic, human concerns which I find sort of troubling under the circumstances.

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For many Palestinian Americans, there’s a sense of helplessness and hopelessness as they struggle to hear from loved ones in Gaza. Amid a fuel and water shortage, no electricity, and now a forced evacuation in the north, administering and sending aid to civilians in Gaza is near impossible.

But even before this week, getting to Gaza to visit family for Palestinian Americans was a lengthy, exhausting and difficult experience, and most people who live in Gaza can never leave. Unlike Israeli Americans, Palestinian Americans say they have never been afforded the opportunity to freely help their loved ones in times of crisis.

Mohammad AbuLughod, who lives in a suburb of Milwaukee, received fragmented updates from a cell phone his family in Gaza kept charged via a solar panel. His family shared those messages with The Associated Press:

An elder in the family died from an airstrike. They tried to seek shelter in a United Nations school, before deciding to stay home. Schools were damaged by airstrikes. Children died. Buildings have been reduced to rubble. They don’t know if the neighbors are alive. They are all gathered now, three generations, in one house. When the bombs come, they will die together. No one will have to live alone.

“I feel I am living in a nightmare,” one relative wrote in a message to the family.

AbuLughod is at a loss for what to do. “There’s no way to send support, we can’t send them money and money would probably be useless, because there’s nothing to buy,” he said.

The story of so many Palestinian Americans is one of longing, loss and a sense that their history is being erased. Many Palestinian families are shaped by the history of becoming refugees relatively recently. Gaza is, in part, so densely populated today because of the mass exodus of Palestinians from what is now Israel during the 1948 war surrounding its creation.

https://apnews.com/article/palestinian- ... 7f3e9471af

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15 Oct 2023, 5:07 pm

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Or being pregnant under those conditions.

There are so many possibilities. It’s all awful.

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Authorities in Gaza said at least 2,670 people had so far been killed by Israel's retaliatory strikes, a quarter of them children, and nearly 10,000 wounded. Another 1,000 people were missing and believed to be under rubble.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 023-10-15/

That’s a lot of people even compared to the attacks on Israel. I’m not sure how some can be entirely with Israel, considering everything that they’ve done in the past and present. Maybe it’s related to the human tendency of being tribal and having to have a clear good guy in mind or something like that.

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15 Oct 2023, 6:52 pm

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Misslizard wrote:

Or being pregnant under those conditions.

There are so many possibilities. It’s all awful.

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So much of what you write is true.

I agree with you.

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In Italy we have part of our centuries-old history with Jewish citizens, who were in fact Italian and even now there are many of them.

They preserved and preserve their traditions.

Just like the Arabs present in Italy, total freedom of expression and worship is granted.

The demonstrations
As far as I know, however, I am in favor of those who consider themselves weaker.

In reality in that condition the populations of both sides are weak, fragile, and wars are disgusting, and no one is ever right in any war that takes place.

Nobody and never.

Sometimes in defense yes.

But then we need to be very careful about many factors of how it was conducted and what was done.

Among other things, Italy has immense guilt for the Jewish diaspora during the Fascist racial laws which aligned themselves without any excuse with the Nazi ones shortly before.

Now the population in Italy is taking sides not in favor of the Israelis.

But he defends the Palestinians.

It is clear that taking sides for and against is wrong as a matter of principle.

There is suffering, deaths, injuries, and horrendous conditions on both sides.

One is much more at the mercy of crazy war situations.

And it is the Palestinian one.

This affects public opinion.

She took a clear side and the demonstrations show us this.

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15 Oct 2023, 7:47 pm

I would again pose the question, what should Israel do?

Remember, in addition to murdering 1000 civilians, HAMAS are
a) shooting rockets from the safety of buildings in Gaza into the main cities of Israel
b) dangling images or 150 hostages under the noses of the IDF.

I just can't see any way around the IDF doing anything different to what they are doing now?
They must bomb the sites where rockets are being launched to prevent the deaths of their own civilians
They must send in ground troops to rescue their loved ones.

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15 Oct 2023, 7:57 pm

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15 Oct 2023, 8:00 pm

^ :heart:

They could avoid killing civilians, the media, and using chemical weapons (white phosphorous). Their behavior has been horrific. They've killed twice as many Palestinians as Israelis who were killed, including over 700 children. The evacuation nightmare is a humanitarian crisis.

The IDF is very far from innocent in this situation. This isn't Star Wars.

I reiterate: everyone in this situation has been an a**hole, except for the innocent people who have died.

I'm seeing some disturbing stuff in this thread. Are people speaking about Palestinian behavior elsewhere to try to make their losses seem less bad somehow?

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15 Oct 2023, 8:04 pm

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15 Oct 2023, 8:45 pm

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They could avoid killing civilians, the media, and using chemical weapons (white phosphorous). Their behavior has been horrific. They've killed twice as many Palestinians as Israelis who were killed, including over 700 children. The evacuation nightmare is a humanitarian crisis.

Why do you think HAMAS is using Palestinians civilians as human shields?
And hypothetically if Mexico launched a surprise raid on Texas or California murdering 1000 men women and children and then carried away hundreds of hostages and then set up artillery in Mexico city to launch ICBMs into the US cities killing more civilians do you really think you would hear the US president say - now now, lets stay calm and negotiate a settlement, let the Mexicans bomb our cities and carry this as a our christian duty...I mean seriously

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15 Oct 2023, 8:49 pm

I don't give a f**k what country is involved. (I was born in America but don't really consider myself American based on my upbringing. I'm an Earthling, generally speaking.) Killing innocent people, especially indiscriminately, on a large scale, and with such brutality, is not okay.

Even more Palestinian children have died at this point. If someone murders your kids, it doesn't justify murdering their kids.

Maybe we have different views of morality.

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15 Oct 2023, 9:01 pm

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Even more Palestinian children have died at this point. If someone murders your kids, it doesn't justify murdering their kids.

Maybe we have different views when it comes to morality.

You and I have no say in what Israel is deciding to do. I am however, putting myself in Israel's shoes now (I am not talking about past attacks by the IDF on Palestinian terroritories) and really can't see how else they can engage,

I am inviting you to advise the Israeli government and see (hypothetically) if your idea would work in stopping the shelling of Israeli cities or rescue the hostages held by HAMAS.

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