Emergence of a Deadly Coronavirus

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All the healthcare people I’ve run into have been eminently rational.

(Yesterday)
It looks like this is happening here in Australia,
Even *with* the "Ruby Princess" incompetency.

As someone who is at high risk I disagree.

Me taking extreme measures is what is called for.

This virus so far is actually piecemeal compared to other viruses.

What makes this virus like no other, is 10% of what it is doing and 90% of how people are reacting to it.

Did I dent your ego?

Tell that to the radical progressives.
Any excuse to dump on the orange man.

Once again I'd like to point out:
I am *not* a Trump fanboy.
I'm just not into partisan politics.

"Read my lips."
I am being "fairminded".
Google it if you don't know what it means.

Which makes more sense:

A) As someone who is at risk I stay isolated?

B) Everyone I will not have contact with since I am isolated stays home?

The answer is A.

Likewise. They are preparing for the surge of cases next week onwards from travellers, and everything is done calmly. Is it worrying, yes, but not panic.

My sister went back to work this week after quarantine (it came back negative) and they have a patient transferred from another hospital, who is suffering with Covid19.

She was saying it's all very ho-hum, everything is fine.
It can remain so, so long as people take care to overreact now, and it will dwindle quickly.

At Costco my son's nurse told me there is a limit of 1 for how much a family can take so nobody stockpiles and there are necessities available for everyone.

Of course I don't live in the US and have no idea what levels of hysteria a person has to tolerate seeing there.
Especially what I heard about stockpiling guns (??).

What's worrying is the nurse was showing me an official letter sent to nurses, requesting them to tell all construction workers, dentists, nail salons, etc, to please donate masks and gloves to hospitals. She said, why is it that they are already running low? No wave has hit yet. She said that shows that the money allocated for hospitals (and millions donated all the time by businesses and individuals) isn't being used properly.

EzraS in answer to your latest post, Iran took your approach. Exactly.

Taiwan took option B (precautions and all).
Although is not accurately described because it isn't so much about staying home nonstop as everything that goes with it (distance physically when meeting people, etc).

It’s all the people who need ventilators....that’s what this response was all about. This virus causes an inordinate amount of people to be required to be put on ventilators. 3,000 ventilators is enough for NYC during most flu seasons......but 30,000 ventilators is required for this epidemic.

Most people get mild cases.....but way too many are required to be hospitalized.

Sorry, I should say, option B isn't good either as Option C, which is Taiwan's approach. A balance.
But I doubt that can be adopted here because people are all or nothing here.

I, for one, would rather "over-react" and be safe than "under-react" and be dead.

This applies to both home invasions and viral infections (which are essentially the same).

Seems axiomatic to me, also.
I am not saying don't clamp down on the little bug-er, btw.
But not at the expense of economic suicide.

Serious question:
How hard is it to isolate the most vulnerable?
I've been in self-isolation for over a month now.

Yes, I know.
It isn't a binary consideration.
But most of those most vulnerable "should" be able to self-isolate, shouldn't they?
I am interested in being educated here.

Alright I give in. Lets shut everything down until the virus is completely over with.

The billion or so people who have no job will not be as much of a problem.

The millions of businesses filing for bankruptcy will not be as much of a problem.

Once prosperous nations becoming like the third world hellholes millions of people seek refuge from will not be as much of a problem.

We all know those living in bankrupt countries do not have a high death rate due to being jobless and homeless.

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And there is nothing more extreme, invasive and prone to causing lasting lung damage than a ventilator that I can think of. If you have to be put on a ventilator, you're in a dire situation, you're one step away from death. Can a person even be awake on a ventilator? My Mom had to be sedated into unconsciousness because of the continuous gag reflex.

You know I empathise Ez, and I have high-risk family members in isolation too. I understand what you are trying to say.

I see your logic and your reasonable thought. I just don't understand how all the immunocompromised people of the world could legitimately leave work, stay home, isolate for an unknown number of months, while everyone else carries on spreading the virus around this planet. In essence, it would be like saying that the vulnerable population (hundreds of millions) would just disappear from society. I sincerely doubt they would get media attention or sympathy, and they would be fired from their jobs, most likely without government support or advocacy. It would be terribly difficult to sweep these people under the rug and cross our fingers that they can come out again one day. I know that isn't your intention to be harsh like that, and I see that there's no easy solution in this mess. I just felt like commenting. I'm glad you are doing well and taking good precautions in the meantime.

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I think this is turning into my 'special interest' (as NTs put so patronizingly) for sure. Although I'm not as keyed up on it as most here, I have to try hard to stop thinking about it. I think just because there's so much available on all fronts, for the mind to fixate on.

I guess the good thing about this is it exposes the cracks in the healthcare system that need to be fixed when this is all over with, and seeing what worked for other countries is helpful that way, like a massive experiment.

https://nationalpost.com/health/how-tai ... life-go-on

Just as I said re: people's mindset here:

"Kwong does see possible barriers to Canada adopting a similar approach, like chronic under-funding of public health here and a populace less at ease with government control than some east-Asian societies.

“I can say this because I’m (ethnic) Asian but they’re generally pretty obedient people,” he said. “I find that in a lot of Western countries there’s this philosophy of individualism.”"

What we need is a compromise. Between no action and extremely drastic action.

We probably can’t open up our nation by Easter....but let’s hope the curve is flattened by Easter.