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I never said that. I just criticize heartless conservative business types.

You conservatives have bought into your own propaganda regarding Soros being some sort of global bogeyman, and yet you'll defend that shirtless Bond villain in the Kremlin who is actually a world wide threat.

Those seem to be the only kind whom exist in your mind.

Putin? I don't defend Putin. And I was simply pointing out that one of your own doesn't seem all that keen on sharing his wealth with the American worker. He does seem to share it in situations that can generate chaos, such as the Southern border.

This is one of the ways conservatives contradict themselves. Ok, if human beings are so vile that they can't be put in care of others then why should we trust the same entities to be in charge of punishing others, making laws and enforcing those laws?

Another way cons contradict themselves.

If human beings are inherently vile as you claim then how can human beings choose to do good and to know and understand what goodness? And, if they're inherently vile as in vileness is a part of who we are to the core of our very soul then if we do anything wrong based upon this vileness then how is it morally righteous to punish anyone for any wrongdoing at all? Why have laws if there is no free will to choose to do good and right?

Christian Conservatives seem to have this way of thinking to. Again, if they believe the same thing then how can we choose Jesus Christ as our lord and savior at all if our natural inclination is vileness and rebellion?

Point is if human beings are inherently vile as you say then free will and choice does not exist outside the bounds of choosing evil.

What should his dad or mom have done then? What could he or his mom have done to both foresee this a million miles away as you claim? How exactly should both of his parents take personal responsibility in this case?

And, are you going to answer my questions or are you going to be the next conservative who ignores me, runs away like spraying holy water on a vampire, bans me from their forum, claims I'm going off of topic, and calls me entitled or whatnot whenever I point holes in their logic and I ask for specific questions.

Victims of any kind, in retrospect, should of tried to NOT BE VICTIMS.

False promise victims:
1. Stop naively believing in promises.
2. Do your best to put yourself in a self-reliant position.
3. Prepare for the worst.
4. If something really matters to you, then you should PROTECT it.

That's hardship of "individualism".

It means you take personal responsibility.

You don't play "the victim".

You saw this coming a mile away, and were prepared for it.

I think there's validity to a social safety net. I think where the left errs in thinking is how much safety net is feasibly possible, or socially desirable.

Ok, let me make sure I'm getting this straight.

If I'm defrauded then are you saying that it is my fault? I caused myself to be defrauded. I didn't check out the product enough? I didn't save enough? I didn't have the foresight to plan ahead well.

If someone steals from me it is my fault that person stole from me? I somehow caused myself to be stolen from?

If a woman is raped it is her fault that she was raped? She didn't take better precautions? She didn't prepare as well as she should have?

Is this what I'm to understand and accept as true?

The point of self-reliance is to minimize being a victim and maximize your capability to deal with it if it happens.

Why is it so shocking Ezra that most "conservative business types" are by their nature cold hearted and mean spirited when it comes to their attitude toward the poorer/vulnerable part of society? I've worked with plenty of these types...they live up to their stereotype without much self-consciousness and the higher up the worse...

Have you ever picked up an introductory economics textbook?
https://www.econlib.org/archives/2010/0 ... onomi.html

On average human behaviour is assumed to be shockingly selfish...conservatives are the archetype

It's funny how the biggest advocates of self-reliance are trust fund babies whom never had to do a truly hard days work in their entire life. The republican party is full of millionaires whom inherited their wealth and now like to sit on parapets espousing how much poor people are lazy....

You know you're not the first conservative dodge my questions and will not be the last. Can you actually answer my questions please.

Let's look at the two things you said. If you believe these things are true including "Your happiness depends on your self-reliance, to take responsibility for your life, regardless of who had a hand in making it the way it is now. It’s about being the hero of your life, not the victim" then why do we need the police, the military, the justice system and laws at all if one is truthfully expected to be self-reliant and take responsibility for one's life?

If you believe and accept what you say is truth that we're all to accept then are you willing to get rid of the police, justice department, military and all laws? And, are you willing to get rid of prison and the department of corrections as well?

Everyone for himself and responsible for himself no holds bar.

Cyberdad, even if a person is the most selfish person some of the stuff "conservative business types" espouse and do is the most irrational stuff there is. Henry Ford one could argue was a selfish business man and I think he was an anti-semite as well but the man still made to where his own employees could afford his products. They were paid a good amount of a wage so they would buy and reinvest their salary into his company. The man thought in a long term way. He was not altruistic in his business decisions but cared about his bottom line which was why he wanted his own employees to succeed and be prosperous. If they were prosperous then he was prosperous.

Employers don't do that today. They not only are selfish but they think short term meaning what can bring me the most today as in they will kill the golden goose. And, would I want someone to be disenfranchised, poor and miserable? Long term that would be bad for business. So, no I wouldn't that. Yet these "conservative business types" don't think beyond their hemorrhoids.

Looking at the homeless people in our differing cities. Is it really good to have someone to be homeless especially when they're addicted to drugs? Would we want to as a society leave them in that state due to their decisions they made? In fact, aren't they more then likely to be carriers of diseases? Wouldn't the most selfish things to do is to prevent someone from becoming homeless and making sure one is able to succeed?

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I do not believe it is exclusive to conservative republican business types or that they form a vast majority.

I am sure there is a long list of non-republican non-conservative billionaires, tycoons, CEOs, business types, along with celebrities and weathy people who have a lot of people working for them, who have had grievances made agaist them.

As I recall Bernie Sanders made a grievance against Jeff Bezos for not paying Amazon employees enough and then there was a grievance made agaist Sanders for not paying his staff enough.

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I will say that it was hypocritical of Sanders to do that.

But, it begs the question is everyone a hypocrite at some point in their life?