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04 Oct 2017, 7:37 pm

There was evidence that Paddock wanted to escape or survive. WHAT EVIDENCE?


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04 Oct 2017, 7:39 pm

They refuse to say where Danley is now. Probably in a nice hotel room with a bubble bath eating chocolates!


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04 Oct 2017, 7:43 pm

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The people you consider victimized " Consrvatives " in Charottesville were Nazi flag-waving, hate slogan-spouting, morons :x ! I am not in favor of tbem having been (maybe) attacked.. but I do not consider them " persecuted innocent victims ". f**k 'em :twisted: .

Yes, and just like you're not "in favor of them being (maybe) attacked", I'M not in favor of their Constitutional rights to protest being taken-away----NO MATTER if they're horrible, hateful people (like the "hate-slogan-spouting" ones).





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04 Oct 2017, 8:11 pm

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She's still sticking to her story of not knowing what Paddock was going to do.

Well, considering her sister's ex described Paddock as "a very reserved and nonemotive person", maybe that's saying that he was ALSO someone who didn't talk-about anything about himself (it's fairly common, IMO, with people of that age)----also, it would explain why the shooter's brother said he didn't have any mental illness (IF the brother was even telling the truth - my jury's still out, on that brother of his, cuz he acted strangely, to me [even, taking into consideration that someone in his place, would be quite shocked]; cuz, now, for instance, he seems to be changing his tune, a bit - like, before, the shooter's brother seemed to be saying they were really in-love; NOW, he says the shooter was manipulative [I just saw a clip on one of the News shows, of the shooter's brother, saying this]).

Also, "nonemotive" could definitely be used to describe a psychopath, IMO.

Also, the sister's ex said that Paddock said that he "would operate with a pool of money, $1.5 million"----that sounds-like to ME, that he had, sort-of, "investors" (people giving him money to gamble with, cuz they didn't have the time to be there, maybe); and, maybe that's who was in the room with him (also, the amount of food that was on that Room Service receipt didn't seem to be enough for two people [though, I only heard the list, with one ear]----but, that's the way businessmen shmooze [they pay for a meal, for somebody they're tryin' to make a deal with]).




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04 Oct 2017, 8:23 pm

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...Stephen in turn decided to suck start his revolver and end it.

I'm really glad you said that, cuz that's the way *I* thought he offed himself, as well (that's the impression I got from the pics, anyway)----on one of the News shows, though, they said that he shot himself in the head, and even though the mouth is obviously in one's head, when someone says "shot himself in the head", I think of "temple", or "between the eyes".





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04 Oct 2017, 8:29 pm

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You know what pisses me off is how these people like this gal get with these nutcases but then she is totally innocent when the s**t hits the fan. You don't just get all of the benefits of his money - you also have to take some of the responsibility when he goes nuts. You don't live with someone like this guy for several years and not know anything of what he was planning. Total BS. Now I'm just getting mad.

Well, I definitely see what you're saying----and, have thought the very same thing, in other cases (ie, Bernie Made-off with everybody's money's wife)----but, here's another interesting tidbit, I found:

NBC News wrote:
A former boyfriend of one of the sisters, Adam Le Fevre, told NBC News that Danley had two previous marriages — one to a boxer in Australia, and the other to an American — before meeting Paddock in a casino.

Le Fevre said that Danley, a Catholic devoted to her family, was “very different” than Paddock, a methodical casino gambler who used algorithms and spreadsheets.

"She's not very confident,” Le Fevre said. “She had a little Subaru Forester and she would go three blocks out of her way so she didn't have to turn left or cross a big intersection."

"I wouldn't say [their relationship] was lovey dovey," he speculated. "It always seemed to be to be one of convenience."

Le Fevre said Paddock shared with him how he was a success at gambling, saying he would operate with "a pool of money, $1.5 million."

"He would gamble for hours, come home, take a nap and then go back. I'd say ‘How did it go?’ and he would say ‘I just dropped 20 grand’ or ‘I’m up 86 grand.’ He approached it like a business."

Le Fevre described the shooter as “a very reserved and nonemotive person."

"His investments, his gambling were done with military precision,” Le Favre added.

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Separately, a worker at a Starbucks in Mesquite told The Los Angeles Times that she and her colleagues winced whenever the couple came in because Paddock would frequently berate his much shorter partner in public.

"He was so rude to her in front of us," Esperanza Mendoza, the store's supervisor, told the newspaper. "He would glare down at her and say — with a mean attitude — ‘You don’t need my casino card for this. I’m paying for your drink, just like I’m paying for you.’ Then she would softly say, ‘OK,’ and step back behind him."

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Danley “probably was even [more] shocked than us because she is … closer to him than us. To be able to find out the person you love and live with can do such a thing. And you thought you knew the person yourself.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/las-vegas-shooter-sent-girlfriend-marilou-danley-away-spare-her-n807341

Paddock "barking" at her, and the sister's ex saying that she wasn't very confident seems to OTOH, put a little dent in SH90's theory about her, maybe, also being involved with some kind of plot, that also included ISIS----OTOH, a meek / shy lil' person is often the VERY person who gets taken advantage of, by someone like ISIS, and what might've been a domineering boyfriend (he might've said: "Go talk to those people [ISIS], and see what's in it for me", or whatever).

Also, maybe this scene in the Starbucks was indicative of even MORE / more extensive abuse, and we have all seen women, who have been abused, who don't leave men, because the women love them----and, if nothin' else, it's often difficult to see the forest, for the trees. Like one of her sisters was saying about her being "even more shocked than us"----from what I know of these situations, an abused person needs to be totally out of a situation, for them to start "accepting" the signs (they, often, have SEEN the signs, before); she may not, really, have any good information, until MONTHS from now, maybe, cuz she has to wait for the shock of the killings to wear-off, TOO (let-alone, if she comes to the realization that she was abused / manipulated / whatever)----so, I don't know that I would pin the "when he goes nuts"-responsibility on her.

Also----and, I hope I don't hurt SH90, in saying this (or any other person of Asian descent)----alot of Asian women have the reputation for being "obedient" (minding "their man"); that's why, IMO, some Americans marry them, cuz their wife won't back-talk them (aside from the fact that they can be GORGEOUS).

I totally believe this. Why would that upset SH90?

Cuz he's of Asian descent (his mother is..... I can't remember what, specific, ethnicity, but she is Asian).




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04 Oct 2017, 9:00 pm

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I'm confused. They said Danley worked in the casino. So why did she let him boss her around?

Cuz she loved him (that's how some women are - even some insecure Americans [NOT that we haven't all, probably, been insecure, at some time])----and besides, we've already established that she seemed to be subservient.

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Does anyone know if the Philippines is a country where the family sells their daughter for money? Like a mail-order bride more or less.

No, I don't know the answer to that----but, that doesn't seem like it would apply, in this case, cuz the woman was a GRANDmother, for Goodness sakes; it's not like she was 22 (the age when something like that, might be arranged).




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04 Oct 2017, 9:17 pm

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They said she came voluntarily and the interview is voluntary.

Oh, good----I'm glad you posted that, as well, cuz that's yet another question, answered.

It would also magnify the effects of the valium - a lot. Alcohol and benzos can cause death by resp failure. Of course this would be more difficult in a person with high tolerance.

I'm not sure why you responded this way, to this post. Didju, maybe, hit the "Quote" button, on the wrong post?

Anyway, I agree----cuz, I studied / researched this, recently, to try and find-out why my 34-year-old niece just up-and-died in her sleep.




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04 Oct 2017, 9:28 pm

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The 5?? Caucasians wbo were caught on tape in C'ville attacking a black man were all Antifa infiltrees into the alt-right, I can tell you that now........ :P

Well, now----reporting that Antifas were infiltrating the alt-right and attacking somebody, doesn't help your "in favor of them"-case, does it?






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04 Oct 2017, 9:35 pm

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In terrorist/political attacks the attacker usually leaves some evidence or a note. If a person wants to make people who disagree with them cower in fear not leaving evidence is not the way to do it.

Yeah, but that's the thing, though..... Several of us, who saw the pics of the killer's room, can CLEARLY see a piece of paper lying on a table----we feel (some of us) that it's quite possible that that piece of paper COULD BE a note, but no one (an authority-type person) is officially confirming or denying it; plus, last-I-heard, the authorities said they hadn't finished scanning his computer(s), and phone(s).




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04 Oct 2017, 9:41 pm

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So police didn't enter Paddocks room for 75 minutes. Why the hell was that if the shooting had stopped? What were they doing during that time? I think they are covering something up.

IDK----maybe they had to have a warrant? It seems to me, though, that if there is an "obvious" crime being committed, they wouldn't need a warrant; BUT, if the shooting had stopped, maybe that took-away the obvious-ness.





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04 Oct 2017, 9:49 pm

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So police didn't enter Paddocks room for 75 minutes. Why the hell was that if the shooting had stopped? What were they doing during that time? I think they are covering something up.

IDK----maybe they had to have a warrant? It seems to me, though, that if there is an "obvious" crime being committed, they wouldn't need a warrant; BUT, if the shooting had stopped, maybe that took-away the obvious-ness.


A warrant? 8O

I'll do one better - they are covering up crap.
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04 Oct 2017, 9:57 pm

Miss Conspiracy Theory here.

I think since they are treating Miss Priss so kindly, I bet they will cut a deal with her to shut up now that they know what happened and the FBI will concoct there own story that they want us to believe!

They aren't saying what is in the note or where Miss Priss is because she can come and go whenever she wants! Of course she has nothing to do with this - she just lived with the guy for several years, happened to leave town when it happened, and even had her attorney all ready to go before she even arrived here! I'm so mad my head might pop off. Do you all realize they questioned Miss Priss for 6 hours and we still know NOTHING!! !! !! ! THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED!! !! !!


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The reason I don't think there is a political motive is people that commit those sort of crimes want people to know why they did it.

Yeah, like I was just saying, in another post, there was a piece of paper lying on a table in the killer's room----a few of us think it's quite possible that that could be a note; but that, authorities haven't gotten-around to telling us, yet (if they ever plan to, at all).

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I'm so thankful the as*hole didn't have time or think to booby trap the hotel room with explosives.As bad as the whole thing is,it would have been worse if that happened.

Yeah, I'm glad he didn't do that, as well. Maybe he didn't do that cuz he wanted people to see his stuff----like, again, if that was, indeed, a note explaining why he did this----or, maybe, if nothing else, these shooters seems to have serious egos; so, maybe, he wanted to make sure everybody saw all his stuff (guns and bump stocks and pistols, and whatever else), cuz just the thought of them seeing all his "toys" would make him feel like he was "cool".




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04 Oct 2017, 10:25 pm

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I finally had the chance to read a few articles about the shooter. Confusing to say the least.

If I have any hunch about this they probably need to do an autopsy on him, mainly to check on both his brain structure and the possibility of whether this was a Charles Whitman type of situation where the motive may have been almost completely medical in nature.

I had to look-up Charles Whitman, cuz I'd never heard of him----and, I'm thinking the possible reason Charles committed those murders, certainly could be a reason for Paddock committing them, as well (I've also already said, as well, that I couldn't wait for Paddock's autopsy).




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04 Oct 2017, 10:45 pm

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This is alot like the theory SH90 was tossin'-around several pages, ago.


I would like to clarify, it wasn't my theory. Only that it was a little soon to rule out ISIS influence, unless they know for sure why (they already have motive)... They publicly ruled it out within hours; without speaking Marilou Danley, while she was still out of the country in the Philippines.

I feel an ISIS influence would be terrible... If they could influence a moderately wealthy elderly white male, which would be a large portion of my state. It would create major distrust and fear across America.

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Also----and, I hope I don't hurt SH90, in saying this (or any other person of Asian descent)----alot of Asian women have the reputation for being "obedient" (minding "their man"); that's why, IMO, some Americans marry them, cuz their wife won't back-talk them (aside from the fact that they can be GORGEOUS).

For the most part this is true, they want to be a good wife. But they still have a back bone and will try to keep discipline in the house. The man works, provides and overall makes the "big" decisions...

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So police didn't enter Paddocks room for 75 minutes. Why the hell was that if the shooting had stopped? What were they doing during that time? I think they are covering something up.


The shooting stopped and they previously found a s**t ton of tannerite in his car. They where using caution in case he had set traps.

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The $100,000 was for building a house for Danley's family.

I think Paddock paid for Danley, if you ask me. He did once say at the coffee house that he had "bought her". This could also mean that since she had the benefit of his money, he pretty much "owned" her.


Buying in SE Asia isn't really that common anymore... It happens, sure but it's not common. An American doctor tried to buy my mom, offered several times and the story ends with my grandma beating the "white man" with bamboo (the doctor was married and couldn't have kids, he wanted a daughter not a wife).

I also don't buy the Starbuck's barista story about him publicly degrading to her. Every interview with neighbors and brother said he was very quiet, someone who liked his privacy. I have a hard time believing he would want to make a scene... I feel she just wanted fame, why did she go to the media and not the police? Also, it's common for Asian women to stand behind their men.

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I finally had the chance to read a few articles about the shooter. Confusing to say the least.

If I have any hunch about this they probably need to do an autopsy on him, mainly to check on both his brain structure and the possibility of whether this was a Charles Whitman type of situation where the motive may have been almost completely medical in nature.


I am also wondering this... It would be the best case scenario, to not cause further panic or divide (if political). His brother even alluded to Charles Whitman when he said,"maybe they will find a tumor when they crack his head open". Makes me wonder if he knows something....