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05 Jun 2020, 11:08 pm

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When strangers makes threats, they aren't given the benefit of doubt.

They're assumed to be the worst.


Imagine if a white man did that to a coloured woman.
There would be an avalanche of virtue signaling in favour of the woman. 8O

There are people out there, in the community, who just wait for an opportunity to show how moral they are.
And it is the selective choosing of events which highlights their hypocrisy. 8)

Perhaps a bit of balance is in order? :scratch:


It would depend on who exactly the white man is. If it was me, I look like someone people cross the road to avoid. If it was that black man's white counterpart I'd insist it's an over-reaction, but she wouldn't be appealing to society's long fixation on 'omg the black men are a threat to our white women' BS so it's not actually balanced and it's not honest to insist that would be the mirror image of this.


I'm in favour of honest balanced reporting.

All you have to do is look at the threads in the News forum to see how unbalanced the focus is.
My god!
One thread after another pointing out "Racism". 8O


Balanced doesn't mean pretending everything is 50/50. As long as racism continues to be a significant issue expect to hear about it. Not wanting to see a lot of threads about a topic doesn't mean that the topic is being overblown, it means it's on a lot of people's minds - most likely because it's relevant even if it doesn't personally impact you.


Non-coloured people get racially vilified also,
But it isn't in vogue talking about that.

BTW,
What is this nonsense about collective guilt, simply by being born white?
There are videos where groups of white people prostrate themselves to coloured people and apologies for being white. WTF? 8O


I'm metis but since I'm mostly white and would always be identified as white (even though a lot of indigenous people in the eastern parts of the US and Canada look white, I've known a lot of Six Nations folks who are gingers) and I absolutely do not get that and have always posted on here telling people who express opinions along those lines to give their head a shake and get over it because feeling guilty won't fix things. I wonder if I was one of those people at one point; my town was lily white and I tended to be outspoken about racism but also sketchy around brown and black people. I never consciously felt guilt, but I realized it was hypocritical and something that needed to be resolved. Once I started to start having a broader social circle (even if it was a smaller one) that sketchiness went away.

Maybe being mixed allows me to externalize it, or forces me to keep both perspectives in mind, but I don't think that's testable.


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05 Jun 2020, 11:10 pm

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There is lots of subtle racism in the US. It’s a subconscious thing at times. Many people aren’t consciously aware of their own subtle racism. This occurs amongst all races, all nationalities. To call it primarily a “white” thing is ridiculous.


Whites codified racism as law to enslave black people for hundreds of years....that's pretty hard to top



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05 Jun 2020, 11:11 pm

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There is lots of subtle racism in the US. It’s a subconscious thing at times. Many people aren’t consciously aware of their own subtle racism. This occurs amongst all races, all nationalities. To call it primarily a “white” thing is ridiculous.


This, so much this. I've never gotten why some people insist only white people can be racist. Even if in the west institutional racism from whites is the most relevant form, it's not the only form that exists.


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05 Jun 2020, 11:12 pm

Though it must be said that US racism amongst white folks against black folks manifested itself in quite extreme ways.....rather akin to the Nazi attitude towards Jews.



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05 Jun 2020, 11:13 pm

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There is lots of subtle racism in the US. It’s a subconscious thing at times. Many people aren’t consciously aware of their own subtle racism. This occurs amongst all races, all nationalities. To call it primarily a “white” thing is ridiculous.


Whites codified racism as law to enslave black people for hundreds of years....that's pretty hard to top


I'm pretty sure the other slave trade out of Africa was just as bad and had racial aspects. They even had their own n-bomb, only it's the k-bomb.


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05 Jun 2020, 11:15 pm

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There is lots of subtle racism in the US. It’s a subconscious thing at times. Many people aren’t consciously aware of their own subtle racism. This occurs amongst all races, all nationalities. To call it primarily a “white” thing is ridiculous.


This, so much this. I've never gotten why some people insist only white people can be racist. Even if in the west institutional racism from whites is the most relevant form, it's not the only form that exists.


Hollywood actor Ramy Yuoseff articulated it well. He acknowledged that all minority groups have anti-blackness ingrained in their societies (Ramy is Arab) but comparing Latino or arab racism to whites is like comparing a provincial basketball club in some country to the NBA. The Americans do basketball better than anyone just like they do racism. They are are hard to beat,



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05 Jun 2020, 11:17 pm

Racism and ethnocentrism assume many insidious and patently evil forms today....and have done so throughout history.



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05 Jun 2020, 11:18 pm

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There is lots of subtle racism in the US. It’s a subconscious thing at times. Many people aren’t consciously aware of their own subtle racism. This occurs amongst all races, all nationalities. To call it primarily a “white” thing is ridiculous.


Whites codified racism as law to enslave black people for hundreds of years....that's pretty hard to top


I'm pretty sure the other slave trade out of Africa was just as bad and had racial aspects. They even had their own n-bomb, only it's the k-bomb.


Many of the tribes doing slavery were black or part black...not exonerating it but at least European nations defined whiteness making it impossible for blacks to escape bondage or attain freedom. The arabs or Persians never forbid miscegenation as the child of a master was automatically arab.



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05 Jun 2020, 11:19 pm

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Racism and ethnocentrism assume many insidious and patently evil forms today....and have done so throughout history.


Only whites codified it....



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05 Jun 2020, 11:21 pm

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Though it must be said that US racism amongst white folks against black folks manifested itself in quite extreme ways.....rather akin to the Nazi attitude towards Jews.


I'm not sure the comparison is entirely fair even if they're both despicably evil.

The Nazi attitude and pattern of behaviour was much fixated on portraying their main opponents as cunning and manipulative and it led to industrialized murder. They relied on stereotypes of wealthy Jewish people even though most weren't. They never doubted their intellect and (gentile Germans) also insisted they were the victims.

The Anglo-American attitude was more akin to viewing the target of their fixation as not fully human, brutish and unable to advance themselves - their lie was that the people they were victimizing needed it.


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05 Jun 2020, 11:22 pm

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But you don’t know who actually voted for Trump or Hillary Clinton. Or if they even voted for anybody.

Most people in non-Russian European countries either actively dislike Trump, or merely think he is a buffoon. Most people I converse with think he’s a buffoon, but don’t really “dislike” him.

When did the people of Europe elect you to speak on their behalf?


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05 Jun 2020, 11:23 pm

There are people of African descent who have racist feelings against people of non-African descent. That cannot be denied.

The effect of this racism hasn’t matched, however, the effects of white racism against black folks, and Nazis against Jews, and Tutsi against Hutu.

I never said white/black racism was identical to Nazi/Jew racism. I just see similarities, especially as to its effects.



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05 Jun 2020, 11:23 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
There is lots of subtle racism in the US. It’s a subconscious thing at times. Many people aren’t consciously aware of their own subtle racism. This occurs amongst all races, all nationalities. To call it primarily a “white” thing is ridiculous.


Absolutely.
I prefer to call it "Tribalism",
Because the term "Racism" has racist overtones, errr. :scratch:

Personally speaking, I think people are kidding themselves if they think they don't have an element of tribalism in them.
It is something that was developed through evolution.
The only thing you can really effectively do about it is harsh childhood indoctrination, but more pragmatically, simply managing it.

I think it odd that most people think humanity defaults to a moral platform when, overwhelmingly, evidence indicates, time after time, that the veneer of civilization is very thin.
Anyone read: "The Lord of the Flies"? 8)



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05 Jun 2020, 11:24 pm

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Plenty of Americans here are either indifferent about Trump, or like him.


Then they must have been a lot quieter about their views than the ones who dislike him.


They were/are.

The same thing happened in the actual election.
Many of those, who voted for Trump, didn't comment openly about it,
Hence the complete shock and meltdown of the Democratic Party after the results. 8O

The same thing happened in the last Australian elections.
The polls got it all wrong because people kept schtum.
And yes, the left-wing voters had a conniption here also. :mrgreen:


Just like gun ownership polls, most gun owners won’t tell others they own guns. If I got a poll call asking if I own guns I’d say nope.


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05 Jun 2020, 11:25 pm

What the hell, Sly?

Where did I make that claim? Stop being so antagonistic towards me. There’s no reason for this.

I was just making an OBSERVATION.



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05 Jun 2020, 11:26 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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There is lots of subtle racism in the US. It’s a subconscious thing at times. Many people aren’t consciously aware of their own subtle racism. This occurs amongst all races, all nationalities. To call it primarily a “white” thing is ridiculous.


Whites codified racism as law to enslave black people for hundreds of years....that's pretty hard to top


I'm pretty sure the other slave trade out of Africa was just as bad and had racial aspects. They even had their own n-bomb, only it's the k-bomb.


Many of the tribes doing slavery were black or part black...not exonerating it but at least European nations defined whiteness making it impossible for blacks to escape bondage or attain freedom. The arabs or Persians never forbid miscegenation as the child of a master was automatically arab.



I understand that the two played out differently, but the main reason for what you describe is because the mixed kid's Arab dad wanted to keep him as a 'full son' because it was mostly women who went east. The American dad who helped create the kid in that context might make him overseer if he's attached to and views the kid as his son, but he also might sell him because far more men were sold in the westward direction, because they were worked to death as labourers instead of just to fill out the harem.


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