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09 Jan 2021, 11:22 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

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Mr. Trump's decades of ruling from the "corner office" did nothing to prepare him for four years of presiding from the Oval Office. Mix that in with his infantile sore loser reactions, and his lies about "It's not fair" and "cheater, cheater" somehow seem to all make sense.

Note that I am not at all trying to excuse his behavior; it is just that when you perceive (as I do) Mr. Trump as an overgrown child who is used to getting his own way, it seems only natural that he would develop into a tyrant who blames everyone around him for his own failures.

What a loser!

Trump has now decided that he will not be at the inauguration of Biden and Harris. I assumed that was a forgone conclusion months ago when he lost the election:

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-bi ... 26650.html

It would be fitting if he was quickly removed from office (25th Amendment or impeachment) and have all presidential perks revoked for life, including protection (the Secret Service). Impeachment from both houses of Congress would prevent him from holding political office for life in this country. Guess that would ruin his plans for a return campaign in four years. We might get him to really cry at that point, not to mention when he ends up in a prison cell. He should be charged with a minimum of five counts of negligent man-slaughter for inciting the riot, with double time given for the specific death of the police officer.

I wonder if Trump is still planning to go through with his counter-inauguration.

That's what he told his cult followers
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e ... y-n1249595

Well, let's see if Trump shows up to appease his true believers. I suspect that the failure of his riot might have broken his spirit - - hopefully.

I have the impression he is pissing his pants.

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09 Jan 2021, 11:23 pm

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To me, it seems it wasn't insurrection.
It was a riot in protest against alleged vote-rigging.
Nothing the rioters could have done would have changed the inevitable election win by the Democrats.

Insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government.

Perhaps we have a different dictionary.

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09 Jan 2021, 11:26 pm

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Well, let's see if Trump shows up to appease his true believers. I suspect that the failure of his riot might have broken his spirit -- hopefully.

Trump is a wily old fox who has seen/created a lot of stuff ups yet he's a billionaire. He wouldn't have seriously expected a bunch of drunken confederate thugs to overwhelm the FBI and overthrow the government. He is just abusing his power partly out of spite, partly because he wants to avoid impeachment proceedings following his dethronement.

I respectfully disagree.

In my opinion, Mr. Trump is so used to tyrannically directing his empire from the corner office that he simply has no concept of the need to diplomatically preside over his administration from the Oval Office.

I believe that he is baffled and disappointed over the failure of his dictatorial methods to be accepted as normal outside of the corporate environment (as opposed to the diplomatic methods in a governmental environment) that his mind has finally snapped, forcing him to throw all caution to the winds and try to force his will on America through his proxy -- his own MAGA mob-army.

Of course, I could be wrong on all counts, but this seems to be the simplest explanation for his actions.

I agree.
I think it a case of his bruised ego distorting his sense of reality.

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09 Jan 2021, 11:27 pm

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Pepe wrote:

To me, it seems it wasn't insurrection.
It was a riot in protest against alleged vote-rigging.
Nothing the rioters could have done would have changed the inevitable election win by the Democrats.

Insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government.

Perhaps we have a different dictionary.

We *always* have a different dictionary.

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09 Jan 2021, 11:28 pm

Pepe wrote:

Jiheisho wrote:

Pepe wrote:

To me, it seems it wasn't insurrection.
It was a riot in protest against alleged vote-rigging.
Nothing the rioters could have done would have changed the inevitable election win by the Democrats.

Insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government.

Perhaps we have a different dictionary.

We *always* have a different dictionary.

And apparently a different reality...

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09 Jan 2021, 11:45 pm

Jiheisho wrote:

Pepe wrote:

Jiheisho wrote:

Pepe wrote:

To me, it seems it wasn't insurrection.
It was a riot in protest against alleged vote-rigging.
Nothing the rioters could have done would have changed the inevitable election win by the Democrats.

Insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government.

Perhaps we have a different dictionary.

We *always* have a different dictionary.

And apparently a different reality...

So it seems.

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09 Jan 2021, 11:46 pm

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You could go in disguise like a buffalo and then no one would recognize you and you would evade the FBI. At least that is the theory...

Well, it turns out his cunning disguise didn't work. He's been arrested, and has been revealed to be a QAnon influencer from Arizona (sorry righty tighties who tried to claim he was Antifa). He has since told the FBI that he showed up at the capitol because Trump told him to... along with thousands of others.

Interesting that they arrested him.

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09 Jan 2021, 11:48 pm

cyberdad wrote:

Fnord wrote:

I believe that he is baffled and disappointed over the failure of his dictatorial methods to be accepted as normal outside of the corporate environment (as opposed to the diplomatic methods in a governmental environment) that his mind has finally snapped, forcing him to throw all caution to the winds and try to force his will on America through his proxy -- his own MAGA mob-army.

I think Trump is playing his own advocate. he lost the election (and knew it) so wanted to create some destabilisation. His call for a coup was tongue in cheek, he just wanted to keep his MAGA faithful angry.

I see it this way, also.
He is playing his "useful idiots".

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09 Jan 2021, 11:50 pm

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Turns out the dead cop and at least one other MAGA who died during the break in were crushed by a stampede of MAGAs
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-ame ... 74cd7ae2ab

Mystery solved.

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10 Jan 2021, 12:32 am

What were the zip ties for?

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10 Jan 2021, 1:10 am

Pepe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Jiheisho wrote:

You could go in disguise like a buffalo and then no one would recognize you and you would evade the FBI. At least that is the theory...

Interesting that they arrested him.

Fascinating. You take part in an insurrection and then you get arrested for it. Go figure?

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10 Jan 2021, 2:30 am

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What were the zip ties for?

I think they were planning to take prisoners. And from the gallows they had outside, I think they had been planning themselves a necktie party.

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10 Jan 2021, 3:33 am

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What were the zip ties for?

I think they were planning to take prisoners. And from the gallows they had outside, I think they had been planning themselves a necktie party.

They had gallows too

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10 Jan 2021, 3:50 am

cyberdad wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Sylkat wrote:

What were the zip ties for?

I think they were planning to take prisoners. And from the gallows they had outside, I think they had been planning themselves a necktie party.

They had gallows too

Yep. I don't know how functional it would have been, as none of these guys came across as rocket scientists, but had things gone differently and they had gotten a hold of some senators and representatives, I have no doubt they would have tried making it work.

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10 Jan 2021, 4:28 am

Jiheisho wrote:

Pepe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Jiheisho wrote:

You could go in disguise like a buffalo and then no one would recognize you and you would evade the FBI. At least that is the theory...

Interesting that they arrested him.

Fascinating. You take part in an insurrection and then you get arrested for it. Go figure?

Well, you have earned the nickname of 'Mr. Snarky'.
You missed my point entirely, as per usual.

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10 Jan 2021, 4:30 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Sylkat wrote:

What were the zip ties for?

I think they were planning to take prisoners. And from the gallows they had outside, I think they had been planning themselves a necktie party.

They had gallows too

Evidence.

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