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31 Mar 2020, 7:22 pm
This is a nice and an amusing report. (Brooks Brothers is kind of the US equivalent of Saville Row in London.)
(I myself would quite like a mask in a narrow gray herringbone with flecks of blue.)
Brooks Brothers Says It Will Manufacture 150,000 Masks Per Day
As health-care workers continue to face a dire shortage of personal protective equipment and fashion designers and manufacturers struggle to address the dearth, Brooks Brothers announced on Monday that it will begin producing medical-grade masks and gowns, converting its New York, North Carolina, and Massachusetts factories from manufacturing ties, shirts, and suits to producing masks and gowns for health-care workers and others fighting the spread of coronavirus. The company—which, at over 200 years old, is America’s oldest retailer—says it will be able to produce up to 150,000 masks per day.
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31 Mar 2020, 7:25 pm
jimmy m wrote:
One of the discussions on this thread was the use of face mask by the common man.
During the Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918, everyone was encouraged to wear face mask. When the coronavirus struck China and other oriental countries, one would see the masses wear face mask.
But we were told by our experts and leaders that face mask should be reserved for the medical staff only. Some experts even went as far as telling us they were of no use to the common man. Most humans are herd creatures. They will follow the herd. At the moment when you travel about the U.S., most people go about without wearing masks.
But now I am seeing a few more individuals wear mask, or scarves about their faces.
So there is an interesting article in the news today:
Should the general public wear masks during the coronavirus epidemic in the U.S.?
The debate over wearing face masks to protect against the novel coronavirus is wide-ranging, with health officials signaling a possible shift in the recommendations for the general public.
Currently, major health organizations -- including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the World Health Organization (WHO) -- have continued to urge those who are healthy to leave surgical masks and the more protective N95 respirators to medical professionals, who across the country are reusing single-use medical masks due to widespread shortages.
As the pandemic rages on, however, some have challenged such recommendations. On Twitter, social media users on Monday slammed a tweet from the U.S. Surgeon General that linked to an article about the WHO standing by its recommendations for healthy people to not wear face masks.
But officials at the CDC are now mulling a change to current guidelines, recommending all Americans cover their faces with nonmedical homemade masks, scarves or even bandanas when in public, The Washington Post reported.
“If the CDC does put out such guidance, I would respect it. I can tell you having drafted many CDC guidelines over the years that these are done very carefully and on the best available evidence,” former CDC Chief Medical Officer Dr. Robert Amler told Fox News on Tuesday. “Those guidelines, when they do go out, are not casual or frivolous.”
“It’s protective for people around you -- that’s going to be the case whether or not there is a shortage,” he added of masks.
Though such guidelines have yet to be confirmed -- Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told CNN on Tuesday that “the idea of getting broad community-wide use of masks is under active discussion” at the CDC -- experts seem to have mixed opinions, some encouraging the change while others expressing worry it could give people a false sense of security and ultimately lead to less adherence to crucial social-distancing guidelines.
“Homemade masks theoretically could offer some protection if the materials and fit were optimized, but this is uncertain,” Jeffrey Duchin, a health official in Seattle and King County, Wash., home to the first major COVID-19 outbreak in the U.S., told the Post. “It’s also possible that mask-wearing might increase the risk for infection if other recommendations (like hand washing and distancing) are less likely to be followed or if the mask is contaminated and touched.”
Others argue there is little proof that masks do much to prevent acquiring a disease, but could be useful to stop the spread from asymptomatic carriers, as the virus can be transmitted via respiratory droplets when an infected person coughs or sneezes. Even walking through a crowded area could heighten the risk of coming into contact with infectious droplets, experts say.
Additionally, Amler and other medical experts have expressed concern specifically about the general public using N95 respirators, an important piece of personal protective equipment (PPE) that filters out some 95 percent of particles, including bacteria and viruses. These respirators require training to use properly -- training that most people in nonmedical fields don’t have. Though the CDC may change its guidelines to recommend the public cover their faces while in public, the use of N95s would not be included in such advice.
Now eikonabridge would advise everyone in the U.S. to have and use common face mask when they are up and about. His logic is that the mask will prevent you from inadvertently touching your face and infecting yourself. I can respect that.
But jimmy m. would advise everyone in the U.S. to stockpile a few N95's once they become available again. N95s can also block viral transmissions through the air. IMHO the coronavirus will die out as humidity levels rise and return to the normal 40-60% relative humidity range. But the virus may reappear again in the fall/winter as humidity levels drop again. If N95s are critical for medical staff, they are also critical for the common man. Now one of the statements made in the above article is "These respirators require training to use properly -- training that most people in nonmedical fields don’t have." Do they actually think the common man is a moron? Here is a YouTube video on how to properly use an N95.
If one looks at the Spanish Flu Pandemic, it is said that there were few casualties in the initial wave of the virus in the U.S. It was during the second wave in the fall that people were dropping like flies.
You are replicating information already covered in the "Facemask myths busted" thread on WP so just refer readers to that thread
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31 Mar 2020, 8:06 pm
cyberdad wrote:
jimmy m wrote:
One of the discussions on this thread was the use of face mask by the common man.
During the Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918, everyone was encouraged to wear face mask. When the coronavirus struck China and other oriental countries, one would see the masses wear face mask.
But we were told by our experts and leaders that face mask should be reserved for the medical staff only. Some experts even went as far as telling us they were of no use to the common man. Most humans are herd creatures. They will follow the herd. At the moment when you travel about the U.S., most people go about without wearing masks.
But now I am seeing a few more individuals wear mask, or scarves about their faces.
So there is an interesting article in the news today:
Should the general public wear masks during the coronavirus epidemic in the U.S.?
The debate over wearing face masks to protect against the novel coronavirus is wide-ranging, with health officials signaling a possible shift in the recommendations for the general public.
Currently, major health organizations -- including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the World Health Organization (WHO) -- have continued to urge those who are healthy to leave surgical masks and the more protective N95 respirators to medical professionals, who across the country are reusing single-use medical masks due to widespread shortages.
As the pandemic rages on, however, some have challenged such recommendations. On Twitter, social media users on Monday slammed a tweet from the U.S. Surgeon General that linked to an article about the WHO standing by its recommendations for healthy people to not wear face masks.
But officials at the CDC are now mulling a change to current guidelines, recommending all Americans cover their faces with nonmedical homemade masks, scarves or even bandanas when in public, The Washington Post reported.
“If the CDC does put out such guidance, I would respect it. I can tell you having drafted many CDC guidelines over the years that these are done very carefully and on the best available evidence,” former CDC Chief Medical Officer Dr. Robert Amler told Fox News on Tuesday. “Those guidelines, when they do go out, are not casual or frivolous.”
“It’s protective for people around you -- that’s going to be the case whether or not there is a shortage,” he added of masks.
Though such guidelines have yet to be confirmed -- Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told CNN on Tuesday that “the idea of getting broad community-wide use of masks is under active discussion” at the CDC -- experts seem to have mixed opinions, some encouraging the change while others expressing worry it could give people a false sense of security and ultimately lead to less adherence to crucial social-distancing guidelines.
“Homemade masks theoretically could offer some protection if the materials and fit were optimized, but this is uncertain,” Jeffrey Duchin, a health official in Seattle and King County, Wash., home to the first major COVID-19 outbreak in the U.S., told the Post. “It’s also possible that mask-wearing might increase the risk for infection if other recommendations (like hand washing and distancing) are less likely to be followed or if the mask is contaminated and touched.”
Others argue there is little proof that masks do much to prevent acquiring a disease, but could be useful to stop the spread from asymptomatic carriers, as the virus can be transmitted via respiratory droplets when an infected person coughs or sneezes. Even walking through a crowded area could heighten the risk of coming into contact with infectious droplets, experts say.
Additionally, Amler and other medical experts have expressed concern specifically about the general public using N95 respirators, an important piece of personal protective equipment (PPE) that filters out some 95 percent of particles, including bacteria and viruses. These respirators require training to use properly -- training that most people in nonmedical fields don’t have. Though the CDC may change its guidelines to recommend the public cover their faces while in public, the use of N95s would not be included in such advice.
Now eikonabridge would advise everyone in the U.S. to have and use common face mask when they are up and about. His logic is that the mask will prevent you from inadvertently touching your face and infecting yourself. I can respect that.
But jimmy m. would advise everyone in the U.S. to stockpile a few N95's once they become available again. N95s can also block viral transmissions through the air. IMHO the coronavirus will die out as humidity levels rise and return to the normal 40-60% relative humidity range. But the virus may reappear again in the fall/winter as humidity levels drop again. If N95s are critical for medical staff, they are also critical for the common man. Now one of the statements made in the above article is "These respirators require training to use properly -- training that most people in nonmedical fields don’t have." Do they actually think the common man is a moron? Here is a YouTube video on how to properly use an N95.
If one looks at the Spanish Flu Pandemic, it is said that there were few casualties in the initial wave of the virus in the U.S. It was during the second wave in the fall that people were dropping like flies.
You are replicating information already covered in the "Facemask myths busted" thread on WP so just refer readers to that thread
You do what you feel is right. But please don't dictate to others what they should do, especially concerning an incredibly trivial and meaningless issue like multiple conversations on the same topic.
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31 Mar 2020, 8:07 pm
Coronavirus: Countries reject Chinese-made equipment
A number of European governments have rejected Chinese-made equipment designed to combat the coronavirus outbreak.
Thousands of testing kits and medical masks are below standard or defective, according to authorities in Spain, Turkey and the Netherlands....
On Saturday, the Dutch health ministry announced it had recalled 600,000 face masks. The equipment had arrived from a Chinese manufacturer on 21 March, and had already been distributed to front-line medical teams.
Dutch officials said that the masks did not fit and that their filters did not work as intended, even though they had a quality certificate.
"The rest of the shipment was immediately put on hold and has not been distributed,” a statement read. “Now it has been decided not to use any of this shipment.”
Spain’s government encountered similar problems with testing kits ordered from a Chinese company.
It announced it had bought hundreds of thousands of tests to combat the virus, but revealed in the following days that nearly 60,000 could not accurately determine if a patient had the virus.
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31 Mar 2020, 8:12 pm
Darmok wrote:
Coronavirus: Countries reject Chinese-made equipment
A number of European governments have rejected Chinese-made equipment designed to combat the coronavirus outbreak.
Thousands of testing kits and medical masks are below standard or defective, according to authorities in Spain, Turkey and the Netherlands....
On Saturday, the Dutch health ministry announced it had recalled 600,000 face masks. The equipment had arrived from a Chinese manufacturer on 21 March, and had already been distributed to front-line medical teams.
Dutch officials said that the masks did not fit and that their filters did not work as intended, even though they had a quality certificate.
"The rest of the shipment was immediately put on hold and has not been distributed,” a statement read. “Now it has been decided not to use any of this shipment.”
Spain’s government encountered similar problems with testing kits ordered from a Chinese company.
It announced it had bought hundreds of thousands of tests to combat the virus, but revealed in the following days that nearly 60,000 could not accurately determine if a patient had the virus.
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31 Mar 2020, 9:02 pm
VegetableMan wrote:
You do what you feel is right. But please don't dictate to others what they should do, especially concerning an incredibly trivial and meaningless issue like multiple conversations on the same topic.
I'm not dictating anything. Jimmy could save a few pages of typing by just linking to other existing threads.
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31 Mar 2020, 9:19 pm
cyberdad wrote:
You are replicating information already covered in the "Facemask myths busted" thread on WP so just refer readers to that thread
We have been discussing the issue of face mask on this thread from page 5, that is over 2 months ago (on 26 January), I see no reason to stop now. If you wish to have another thread devoted solely to the topic of face mask, go right ahead. But I do not see a need to take any coronavirus issue off the table on this thread (with the exception of politics). Also I do not believe I have replicated information already covered in the other thread.
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31 Mar 2020, 9:38 pm
jimmy m wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
You are replicating information already covered in the "Facemask myths busted" thread on WP so just refer readers to that thread
We have been discussing the issue of face mask on this thread from page 5, that is over 2 months ago (on 26 January), I see no reason to stop now. If you wish to have another thread devoted solely to the topic of face mask, go right ahead. But I do not see a need to take any coronavirus issue off the table on this thread (with the exception of politics). Also I do not believe I have replicated information already covered in the other thread.
Class act.
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31 Mar 2020, 10:04 pm
Just go to www1.nyc.gov.
People of all ages are dying in NYC. We have 1,096 deaths. The vast majority had one or more underlying conditions, or are being investigated for underlying conditions. Deaths with no underlying conditions are pretty rare even among very elderly people.
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31 Mar 2020, 10:09 pm
cyberdad wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
You do what you feel is right. But please don't dictate to others what they should do, especially concerning an incredibly trivial and meaningless issue like multiple conversations on the same topic.
I'm not dictating anything. Jimmy could save a few pages of typing by just linking to other existing threads.
Could you do us a favor and take a little break from WP please.
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31 Mar 2020, 10:22 pm
I don't know if I can handle coronavirus, I need something a little smaller like a corollavirus... maybe a little sportier like celicavirus.
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31 Mar 2020, 7:22 pm
Class act.
