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31 Mar 2020, 10:27 pm

I hear the Toyota Corona is a very rare model. You will never see them on the street :mrgreen:



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31 Mar 2020, 10:28 pm

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There is no more Toyota Corona nor Celica these days—they’re virtually antiques nowadays.


As if I wasn't sad enough already. :cry:

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31 Mar 2020, 10:31 pm

I'd rather catch 510virus.


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31 Mar 2020, 10:32 pm

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There is no more Toyota Corona nor Celica these days—they’re virtually antiques nowadays.


As if I wasn't sad enough already. :cry:

:lol:


You can grab a Celica Supra on Ebay for $8,500.00. Only has 120k miles. Which means it probably has half a million more left.



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31 Mar 2020, 10:39 pm

EzraS wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
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There is no more Toyota Corona nor Celica these days—they’re virtually antiques nowadays.


As if I wasn't sad enough already. :cry:

:lol:


You can grab a Celica Supra on Ebay for $8,500.00. Only has 120k miles. Which means it probably has half a million more left.


Buying and fixing up old sports cars isn't a hobby I can afford at the moment, although a gen II Supra would definitely be interesting to acquire. I'm pretty fixated on getting either a Vega ('74-76) or a 4th or 5th gen Civic hatchback or same era Integra.

Toyota has a good reputation for reliability, but I wouldn't count on an relatively affordable sports car being taken car of in the same way a boring appliance like a Camry might be. If most cars would show a bell curve for how they're maintained cheap sporty cars seem likely to have a much more hollow middle with more examples being babied or being abused than average.


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31 Mar 2020, 10:42 pm

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Just go to www1.nyc.gov.

People of all ages are dying in NYC. We have 1,096 deaths. The vast majority had one or more underlying conditions, or are being investigated for underlying conditions. Deaths with no underlying conditions are pretty rare even among very elderly people.


Along these lines a new study came out today:

78% of ICU Patients with COVID-19 have at least one underlying health problem
Diabetes - 32%
Cardiovascular Disease - 29%
Chronic Lung Disease - 21%
Long-Term Kidney Disease - 12%
Weakened Immune System - 9%


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31 Mar 2020, 10:56 pm

jimmy m wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Just go to www1.nyc.gov.

People of all ages are dying in NYC. We have 1,096 deaths. The vast majority had one or more underlying conditions, or are being investigated for underlying conditions. Deaths with no underlying conditions are pretty rare even among very elderly people.


Along these lines a new study came out today:

78% of ICU Patients with COVID-19 have at least one underlying health problem
Diabetes - 32%
Cardiovascular Disease - 29%
Chronic Lung Disease - 21%
Long-Term Kidney Disease - 12%
Weakened Immune System - 9%


I suppose it might be possible that a person has one or more of these problems, but undiagnosed?

And so, more susceptible to succumbing to COVID19 and ending up in the ICU?


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31 Mar 2020, 10:57 pm

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You do what you feel is right. But please don't dictate to others what they should do, especially concerning an incredibly trivial and meaningless issue like multiple conversations on the same topic.


I'm not dictating anything. Jimmy could save a few pages of typing by just linking to other existing threads.


Could you do us a favor and take a little break from WP please.



It would be good if I listened to that request as well.. But no discipline


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31 Mar 2020, 11:04 pm

blooiejagwa wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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VegetableMan wrote:
You do what you feel is right. But please don't dictate to others what they should do, especially concerning an incredibly trivial and meaningless issue like multiple conversations on the same topic.


I'm not dictating anything. Jimmy could save a few pages of typing by just linking to other existing threads.


Could you do us a favor and take a little break from WP please.



It would be good if I listened to that request as well.. But no discipline


Does not apply to you. In your case taking a break might possibly be to your benefit, but not to the benefit of the forum.



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31 Mar 2020, 11:15 pm

I disagree. Lack of synaptic pruning leads to irrelevant, unfiltered and perhaps offensive output. But anyways..


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31 Mar 2020, 11:17 pm

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31 Mar 2020, 11:17 pm

Sorry the above was meant for random things thread


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31 Mar 2020, 11:29 pm

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It would be good if I listened to that request as well..


Maybe for you, the rest of us would feel a deep and profound sense of loss.


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31 Mar 2020, 11:57 pm

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Granted we have to go through with lockdown but where did you read that 40% of the cases were healthy young people? After lockdown, I can see a good case being made for easing restrictions on healthy 20 somethings and taking other preventative measures to slow the spread. In Taiwan, (next door to Wuhan) anyone who suspects that they have it is given free testing and financially supported through quarantine. Taiwan still isn't going into lockdown, they took other precautions which worked.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6704349/us-c ... er-adults/ It doesn't discuss the detail of how many of those 20 - 54 year olds had underlying health conditions**, only their age. Considering it's a rather large demographic, it's not surprising they'd make up more than a third of cases. .... https://www.vox.com/2020/3/23/21190033/ ... ths-by-age

Thanks for posting these articles. They seem to be relatively "serious"/sensible compared to some ... but for one thing, that the figures they keep giving for the % hospitalised, % in ICUs and % dead are percentages of identified ( tested and positive ) cases only, which in almost every age group that they look at is still an extremely small number of people, compared to the almost certainly far larger numbers actually infected but not tested, perhaps 10 times as many, ( or more ), which would make every % quoted ten times smaller, and Covid19 not much more ( or even less ) deadly than flu.

While the number of people tested remains so very small the % rates of anything ( hospitalisation, ICU, dead ), are going to be unreliable/very misleading, and unnecessarily alarming.

It's not even possible to say for sure what % of people hospitalised with Covid19 symptoms and a positive test for coronavirus will die because at the moment the coronavirus reputation is so awful that testing positive for it is almost certain to increase fear, belief that will die, and ( because nocibo is a real effect ), an actually increased probability of dying.



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01 Apr 2020, 12:35 am

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funeralxempire wrote:
domineekee wrote:
Granted we have to go through with lockdown but where did you read that 40% of the cases were healthy young people? After lockdown, I can see a good case being made for easing restrictions on healthy 20 somethings and taking other preventative measures to slow the spread. In Taiwan, (next door to Wuhan) anyone who suspects that they have it is given free testing and financially supported through quarantine. Taiwan still isn't going into lockdown, they took other precautions which worked.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6704349/us-c ... er-adults/ It doesn't discuss the detail of how many of those 20 - 54 year olds had underlying health conditions**, only their age. Considering it's a rather large demographic, it's not surprising they'd make up more than a third of cases. .... https://www.vox.com/2020/3/23/21190033/ ... ths-by-age

Thanks for posting these articles. They seem to be relatively "serious"/sensible compared to some ... but for one thing, that the figures they keep giving for the % hospitalised, % in ICUs and % dead are percentages of identified ( tested and positive ) cases only, which in almost every age group that they look at is still an extremely small number of people, compared to the almost certainly far larger numbers actually infected but not tested, perhaps 10 times as many, ( or more ), which would make every % quoted ten times smaller, and Covid19 not much more ( or even less ) deadly than flu.

While the number of people tested remains so very small the % rates of anything ( hospitalisation, ICU, dead ), are going to be unreliable/very misleading, and unnecessarily alarming.

It's not even possible to say for sure what % of people hospitalised with Covid19 symptoms and a positive test for coronavirus will die because at the moment the coronavirus reputation is so awful that testing positive for it is almost certain to increase fear, belief that will die, and ( because nocibo is a real effect ), an actually increased probability of dying.


The statistics are almost certainly not correct, however there's nothing better to go by. We can just guess if you'll feel that's more reliable. :?


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01 Apr 2020, 1:14 am

NEWS FLASH!

Australia:
$63,000 fine for those shipping out strategic medical supplies from Australia.
And a possible 5 year gaol sentence.
HOOWA! :mrgreen: