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Indigenous Australians were once kept in separate communities but those days are long gone (again you are 50 years out of date)

The majority of indigenous Australians live in mainstream communities and are very integrated into the white community (unlike American natives). Analysis of the last census reveals that 70% of Aboriginal men and 90% of Aboriginal women living in urban areas were married to white Australians.

When was the last census and who made this "analysis" ??

What % of Aborigines live in urban areas ??

What is your source on "American natives" ? You driving through America and drawing your own conclusions ??

Which Native Americans are you referring to? There are many tribes who have integrated and others who reside solely on reservations. They don't have to live on reservations, though it should be noted that they are the worst off as a general race than any other in the US.

It should also be noted that it's human nature to join with people similar to others (tribalism). The problem comes when it's forced on them, such as being shown only houses in specific areas dependent on race. That's less of a problem in California than other places in the US. We have many communities of immigrants, such as Asian, Hispanic/Latino, Middle Eastern, Slavic, etc, and they gather together into their own communities to hold fast to their own traditions and be with other people who share their views. They don't all do that, and they're not relegated to poor communities.

California is one of the poorest states right now, and in my area, we have some places with as high as a 32% poverty rate, white or not. Some cities are predominantly Hispanic/Latino and have no white people on the council, and they're certainly not poor. We don't force people into ghettos or areas at all, and it's not accurate to assume that your perceptions and assumptions are true from driving through here. Things are not so simple and involve observing many different things in many different areas. My area happens to be one of the poorer areas, so you'd see plenty of miserable poor white people too.

The last Australian census was 2011 collected by the Australian federal government. I had access to databases because of my previous job, > 50% are classified as urban either living in major cities or inner regional areas.

I was referring to the presence of native reservations in North America (US and Canada) not any specific tribe


I drove through parts of LA and got lost (I was having problems with maps and right hand driving). I went into what looked like a housing project area? the entire community emerged out of their homes when I stopped and asked a man for directions. It was a legitimately scary experience for me and my family. Never experienced that in Australia before.



I think the presence of ghettos is a little disconcerting given the US is supposed to be a first world country. Visiting the states made me feel how lucky we are in Australia in terms of quality of life...I couldn't wait to get back.

Various countries have their problems. Considering that the whole of Australia has about 23 million people, while the US has over 300 million and a much higher population density in our cities, you have to expect a rather stark difference. Especially with the immigrant problem here, so close to Mexico. We have many illegal immigrants here, and they stick together. It's safer, really. LA is especially like that, very tight knit communities that stick with one another, mainly because of the population density. But, you can't judge all of Southern California based on LA. Every town/city has its own atmosphere. San Francisco actually has a much higher crime rate.

When you have such a diverse area with everyone crammed together, you get gangs popping up, especially if it's a poor area. They have to watch out for each other. A lot the crime here really has to do with gangs, which we have a lot of both down here by LA and up in SF, and the Mexican Mafia has its hands in it too. If we got rid of gangs, our homicide rates in the US would go down much faster (they're actually not that bad and are continuing to drop, people just like to display the numbers to make it seem worse than it is).

This is true for any country, when you get multiple groups of immigrants and high population density. Look at what's happening in Europe right now, especially places like Sweden. Their crime rate is going up fast and it's getting worse. People are projecting Sweden to be a third world country by 2030. I'm glad Australia doesn't have these problems, and I pray you never do.

You make valid points about population density differences but judging from what is happening in the UK - fragmented communities can only lead to fragmented national/social bonds. Given the problems the UK is having with muslim communities wanting Shariah law and African American communities protesting in the streets the long term prognosis can't be good.

Can't constructive town planning or some type of social engineering stop ghettos from forming?

You mean stop people from living near others like them? No, it's too ingrained into most humans. Tribalism is too strong in some people, and considering how humans lived for thousands of years, even a hundred years ago, where tribalism was a means to survive, I don't think it's going to change very quickly. Like stays with like.

Now if you mean ghetto like shoving certain races into certain areas and making sure they stay below a certain economical line, rather than them grouping themselves together, that's a bit different and is being fixed. We started the last century rather completely segregated, including the Irish and Russians and Greeks, from everyone else. Every nationality had their own neighborhood, really. That wasn't really changed until recently, due to social stigma. Now it's more of a choice (not always, but far harder to prove these days).

Such as the Cicero race riot of 1951, when a well off black couple tried to move into a white neighborhood and over 4,000 people rioted. Now people who aren't welcome in neighborhoods, depending on the area, usually get dirty looks, snide remarks, egged houses. There was one guy in Compton who had his house repeatedly broken into until he finally got the message he wasn't welcome, as it was a black neighborhood (I've had people tell me that the man deserved it for being white... how bizarre). It goes all ways, and I don't think it will go away. Cliques in schools and churches, even certain stores... Even here, on this forum, we are like with like.

Oooops, turns out the shooters did not have ties to ISIS after all:

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/12/16/san-bernardino-shooters-did-not-support-isil-on-social-media.html?utm_content=manual&utm_campaign=ajam&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35114089

I have been seeing pictures of funerals and memorials for the victims of the shooting.

What is being done with the bodies of the perpetrators?

Have they been given a very quiet Muslim funeral, hidden from the media?

Or is very extensive testing still being done on the bodies, especially the brains, looking for anything that could have caused abnormal behavior?

Charges Whitman, one of the first known spree shooters in America, was found to have had a brain tumor.

Yes of course even "educated" people can cling to primitive notions of blood/tradition...getting back to the San Bernadino shooters, isolating and ostracizing muslims will of course play into ISIL's hands as they are trying to reinforce the idea to western muslims that we westerners hate islam...we need all the allies we can get...

Farook and Maleek have been buried in a Muslim graveyard, far from where they lived.

No information was given as to the name of the cemetery, or who attended the rites.

Apparently no family members attended, and only one person from Farook's mosque was there.

The Virginia graveyard where Tsarnaov, who planted bombs at the Bosteon Marathon, is buried, has no headstone, so I assume that their graves are also unmarked.

What completely wasted, wasted lives!

They have left no mark on this world but misery.

Any information regarding the future of their daughter has ceased from the media.

Perhaps a kindness to her.......

If she is not raised by family, perhaps she will never know who her parents were.

That would be the best thing for her, I think.......no contact with either side of her family, and never to know her ugly past.

...Let me bring this one back up here - Were any of the San Bernadino victims thought to be some kind of diagnosed (even if non-officially ?) AS ? One piece I saw listing the names of the victims referred to a couple in that " saying it between the lines " traditional newspaper manner , I thought .

I did not read too much about their victims......too miserably depressing.

I just read about Rizwan being enraged by a co-worker, a Messianic Jew, who was firm in his faith and would not accept Rizwan's ranting.

That conversation may have triggered the attack.

Reading about that man and his wife was just too sad for me......they seemed such happy people who seemed completely devoted to one another......