Trump wants to deport people here for medical reasons.
11 Sep 2019, 8:17 pm
EzraS wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Quote:
I do not think that is an American philosophy. When someone starts out in life they are completely dependant. The need to be fed, bathed, dressed etc.
But the idea is that their parents/parent/ guardian et al is supposed to potty train them, to be able to relieve themselves by themselves instead of needing to have their diapers changed their whole lives.
Likewise they are taught to feed themselves, insted of someone putting food in their mouth for them, to bathe themselves, to dress themselves. To eventually get to school by themselves. Do their own homework. To look after themselves.
So life starts out with people being taught skills of self reliance and independence. And when they achieve all that, then they become parents and continue the cycle.
That is been how humankind has operated all over the world for thousands of years.
Now you can come up with a slew of what about this and what about that. What if the child is mentally and or physically incapable and so on. But in general and overall most of us were taught self reliance, individualism, personal responsibility, prudence, caution etc from the beginning.
But the idea is that their parents/parent/ guardian et al is supposed to potty train them, to be able to relieve themselves by themselves instead of needing to have their diapers changed their whole lives.
Likewise they are taught to feed themselves, insted of someone putting food in their mouth for them, to bathe themselves, to dress themselves. To eventually get to school by themselves. Do their own homework. To look after themselves.
So life starts out with people being taught skills of self reliance and independence. And when they achieve all that, then they become parents and continue the cycle.
That is been how humankind has operated all over the world for thousands of years.
Now you can come up with a slew of what about this and what about that. What if the child is mentally and or physically incapable and so on. But in general and overall most of us were taught self reliance, individualism, personal responsibility, prudence, caution etc from the beginning.
Of course it has been that way for 1000s of years. You're using the fact and implying that just because something has been a certain way for 1000s of years that it should in fact continue to be that way. Most people for 1000s of years who were conceived died before they were born due to disease, malnutrition, etc. By your logic should we let that continue? Should we have developed vaccines, life saving medical techniques, better farming techniques, etc, etc?
You are comitting the fallacy of the is-ought problem. It was this way in the past and it is how it is now. Should it continue to be this way?
Besides, automation may be making it that in the future that less and less people will need to work for our "survival."
What makes America different is that our society not only embraces these things as truth but worships them as though they're religious and holy (metaphorically of course).
Anyway, I digress. What was part of humanity was as well most not being born was crop failures, floods, droughts and other natural disasters. Let's not forget diseases and wild animals as well. I'm sure the people for 1000s of years took their precautions with the knowledge that they had at the time but s**t still happened. People still got sick, flooded out, droughts happened in spite of all their precautions they took at the time.
Personal responsibility presumes that one has all of these choices and that if we have negative circumstances it was due to the choices one makes. There is some truth to this but what is different about American society is that it solely focuses on this. It presumes that choices are the end all be all of things. It makes it seem like we have all of this control over our lives when really our control is limited and there are circumstances outside of our conscience control that have heavy influence and sway.
The idea that our actions and choices absolutely are in absolute or even the vast majority control of our circumstances is stupid and foolish thinking. Our control over our lives is limited. No one is a god and no one is omniscient.
We live in a world of both choices and limits. <<<<<< This is a true fact of life. America concentrates on the choices part and discards the limits part.
I will say though, other societies in human history concentrate on the limits part and disregard the choices part. This is just as stupid and foolish as well.
I don't believe it is either/or. I believe people both have choices and limits some having more choices and limits then others. It's not so simple as conservatives make it out to be.
Like I have said before. With conservatives I see practicality. With liberals I see idealism.
I don't buy this. I see conservatives as being the idealists especially with the idea that anyone and everyone has choices, can always make the correct choices and one's circumstances is solely depended upon the choices one makes. They have this ideal that we're in control over our lives when that control is limited. Conservatives are in love this philosophy even when presented information that contradicts this.
11 Sep 2019, 8:22 pm
EzraS wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Quote:
I do not think that is an American philosophy. When someone starts out in life they are completely dependant. The need to be fed, bathed, dressed etc.
But the idea is that their parents/parent/ guardian et al is supposed to potty train them, to be able to relieve themselves by themselves instead of needing to have their diapers changed their whole lives.
Likewise they are taught to feed themselves, insted of someone putting food in their mouth for them, to bathe themselves, to dress themselves. To eventually get to school by themselves. Do their own homework. To look after themselves.
So life starts out with people being taught skills of self reliance and independence. And when they achieve all that, then they become parents and continue the cycle.
That is been how humankind has operated all over the world for thousands of years.
Now you can come up with a slew of what about this and what about that. What if the child is mentally and or physically incapable and so on. But in general and overall most of us were taught self reliance, individualism, personal responsibility, prudence, caution etc from the beginning.
But the idea is that their parents/parent/ guardian et al is supposed to potty train them, to be able to relieve themselves by themselves instead of needing to have their diapers changed their whole lives.
Likewise they are taught to feed themselves, insted of someone putting food in their mouth for them, to bathe themselves, to dress themselves. To eventually get to school by themselves. Do their own homework. To look after themselves.
So life starts out with people being taught skills of self reliance and independence. And when they achieve all that, then they become parents and continue the cycle.
That is been how humankind has operated all over the world for thousands of years.
Now you can come up with a slew of what about this and what about that. What if the child is mentally and or physically incapable and so on. But in general and overall most of us were taught self reliance, individualism, personal responsibility, prudence, caution etc from the beginning.
Of course it has been that way for 1000s of years. You're using the fact and implying that just because something has been a certain way for 1000s of years that it should in fact continue to be that way. Most people for 1000s of years who were conceived died before they were born due to disease, malnutrition, etc. By your logic should we let that continue? Should we have developed vaccines, life saving medical techniques, better farming techniques, etc, etc?
You are comitting the fallacy of the is-ought problem. It was this way in the past and it is how it is now. Should it continue to be this way?
Besides, automation may be making it that in the future that less and less people will need to work for our "survival."
What makes America different is that our society not only embraces these things as truth but worships them as though they're religious and holy (metaphorically of course).
Anyway, I digress. What was part of humanity was as well most not being born was crop failures, floods, droughts and other natural disasters. Let's not forget diseases and wild animals as well. I'm sure the people for 1000s of years took their precautions with the knowledge that they had at the time but s**t still happened. People still got sick, flooded out, droughts happened in spite of all their precautions they took at the time.
Personal responsibility presumes that one has all of these choices and that if we have negative circumstances it was due to the choices one makes. There is some truth to this but what is different about American society is that it solely focuses on this. It presumes that choices are the end all be all of things. It makes it seem like we have all of this control over our lives when really our control is limited and there are circumstances outside of our conscience control that have heavy influence and sway.
The idea that our actions and choices absolutely are in absolute or even the vast majority control of our circumstances is stupid and foolish thinking. Our control over our lives is limited. No one is a god and no one is omniscient.
We live in a world of both choices and limits. <<<<<< This is a true fact of life. America concentrates on the choices part and discards the limits part.
I will say though, other societies in human history concentrate on the limits part and disregard the choices part. This is just as stupid and foolish as well.
I don't believe it is either/or. I believe people both have choices and limits some having more choices and limits then others. It's not so simple as conservatives make it out to be.
Like I have said before. With conservatives I see practicality. With liberals I see idealism.
And once again, what countermeasures to people from childhood being taught to look after themselves and look out for themselves do you propose?
I don't understand what you're asking. Your question seems fragmented.
11 Sep 2019, 9:35 pm
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
In reading the last few posts, I'm just stunned that anyone feels they can depend on anyone for anything. Maybe life has suggested to you that you can depend on others, life has not suggested that to me, at all. I'm definitely an autist, but I believe my upbringing compounded my isolation/self-reliance issues.
I don't believe anyone, except God and maybe my husband (even that can be circumstantial) will be there for me.
What I foresee is that nothing, even the most basic of human needs will be provided. When I plan for the future, I plan that no needs will be met by anyone but me. So, I do foresee every contingency, in that I see I need to meet every need.
If I don't have a place to live, I will be homeless.
If don't possess insurance and I get sick, I will die.
If I don't have money, I won't eat.
It really is very simple, for me at least. Maybe some will say, "I pity you. That's so sad." But, how is it really sad if it's all I've known? It could be sad if I'd known another way, I guess. Maybe if Voc Rehab comes through, I'll feel differently. I've applied, but I'm not holding my breath.
I don't believe anyone, except God and maybe my husband (even that can be circumstantial) will be there for me.
What I foresee is that nothing, even the most basic of human needs will be provided. When I plan for the future, I plan that no needs will be met by anyone but me. So, I do foresee every contingency, in that I see I need to meet every need.
If I don't have a place to live, I will be homeless.
If don't possess insurance and I get sick, I will die.
If I don't have money, I won't eat.
It really is very simple, for me at least. Maybe some will say, "I pity you. That's so sad." But, how is it really sad if it's all I've known? It could be sad if I'd known another way, I guess. Maybe if Voc Rehab comes through, I'll feel differently. I've applied, but I'm not holding my breath.
I really can't even believe what I am reading here. Are you sh*****g me right now? You foresee every contingency? Every single contingency? You've never had any major problems or s**t that went wrong in spite of your prudence, foresight, and planning? There was nothing that you never thought of? You are omniscient is what you are implying.
No one has that kind of foresight and knowledge. If we did we would be gods or God in the Holy Bible.
Why does the Bible say all this about the poor?
https://www.worldvision.org/christian-f ... ut-poverty
https://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseactio ... verses.htm
It seems like the Bible has different things to say about the rich vs poor then what conservatives have to say.
Even the Bible says the rich are obligated to help the poor and do right by them and others are obligated to do right by the needy.
Another thing, our society claims to be a Christian society. This is to Ezra as well. How can we be a Christian society if our society worship money and money is our god?
I don't need to see every contingency if experience has taught me that help will not be there. My most basic needs were met as a child. I was given a bottle, my diaper was changed. But tears were not dried, comfort was not given. I cannot remember the bottle/diapers, but I'm alive and did not die of a flesh eating bacteria, so I have no choice but to assume those needs were met. I can remember learning early on that emotional needs would not be met. I self soothed. I would say that my ASD was compounded by the absence of emotional support.
When the s**t hits the fan and it always does, it's not necessary to know what said s**t is. It does not occur to me to ask for help, except from God. The help I have recently asked for through Voc Rehab was a suggestion I am grateful for, but do not expect anything to come of it.
I give to the less fortunate all the time. Just because I don't have the knee-jerk reaction to reach out doesn't mean that I can't understand how $5 to a person who has nothing might not be of some benefit to them. I do realize that if you have nothing and you want something, you need money. So, I give them some money.
Other than what I've written above, I'm not sure how I can better answer your question.
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11 Sep 2019, 9:35 pm
Back to the original post - - today senate Republicans denied there was any threat to foreigners receiving medical care at hearings today, till they heard from children and adults who would be sent home to their deaths, and administration representatives who refused to answer questions and pissed off even Republicans like Lindsey Graham. Yes, Trump wants to send dark skinned foreigners to their deaths rather than helping them, and some Republicans even overcame their moral cowardice to speak out against it.
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11 Sep 2019, 9:39 pm
Persephone29 wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
In reading the last few posts, I'm just stunned that anyone feels they can depend on anyone for anything. Maybe life has suggested to you that you can depend on others, life has not suggested that to me, at all. I'm definitely an autist, but I believe my upbringing compounded my isolation/self-reliance issues.
I don't believe anyone, except God and maybe my husband (even that can be circumstantial) will be there for me.
What I foresee is that nothing, even the most basic of human needs will be provided. When I plan for the future, I plan that no needs will be met by anyone but me. So, I do foresee every contingency, in that I see I need to meet every need.
If I don't have a place to live, I will be homeless.
If don't possess insurance and I get sick, I will die.
If I don't have money, I won't eat.
It really is very simple, for me at least. Maybe some will say, "I pity you. That's so sad." But, how is it really sad if it's all I've known? It could be sad if I'd known another way, I guess. Maybe if Voc Rehab comes through, I'll feel differently. I've applied, but I'm not holding my breath.
I don't believe anyone, except God and maybe my husband (even that can be circumstantial) will be there for me.
What I foresee is that nothing, even the most basic of human needs will be provided. When I plan for the future, I plan that no needs will be met by anyone but me. So, I do foresee every contingency, in that I see I need to meet every need.
If I don't have a place to live, I will be homeless.
If don't possess insurance and I get sick, I will die.
If I don't have money, I won't eat.
It really is very simple, for me at least. Maybe some will say, "I pity you. That's so sad." But, how is it really sad if it's all I've known? It could be sad if I'd known another way, I guess. Maybe if Voc Rehab comes through, I'll feel differently. I've applied, but I'm not holding my breath.
I really can't even believe what I am reading here. Are you sh*****g me right now? You foresee every contingency? Every single contingency? You've never had any major problems or s**t that went wrong in spite of your prudence, foresight, and planning? There was nothing that you never thought of? You are omniscient is what you are implying.
No one has that kind of foresight and knowledge. If we did we would be gods or God in the Holy Bible.
Why does the Bible say all this about the poor?
https://www.worldvision.org/christian-f ... ut-poverty
https://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseactio ... verses.htm
It seems like the Bible has different things to say about the rich vs poor then what conservatives have to say.
Even the Bible says the rich are obligated to help the poor and do right by them and others are obligated to do right by the needy.
Another thing, our society claims to be a Christian society. This is to Ezra as well. How can we be a Christian society if our society worship money and money is our god?
I don't need to see every contingency if experience has taught me that help will not be there. My most basic needs were met as a child. I was given a bottle, my diaper was changed. But tears were not dried, comfort was not given. I cannot remember the bottle/diapers, but I'm alive and did not die of a flesh eating bacteria, so I have no choice but to assume those needs were met. I can remember learning early on that emotional needs would not be met. I self soothed. I would say that my ASD was compounded by the absence of emotional support.
When the s**t hits the fan and it always does, it's not necessary to know what said s**t is. It does not occur to me to ask for help, except from God. The help I have recently asked for through Voc Rehab was a suggestion I am grateful for, but do not expect anything to come of it.
I give to the less fortunate all the time. Just because I don't have the knee-jerk reaction to reach out doesn't mean that I can't understand how $5 to a person who has nothing might not be of some benefit to them. I do realize that if you have nothing and you want something, you need money. So, I give them some money.
Other than what I've written above, I'm not sure how I can better answer your question.
I'm sorry that you had such heartlessly terrible parents. No one should have to go unloved as a small child.
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11 Sep 2019, 9:57 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
In reading the last few posts, I'm just stunned that anyone feels they can depend on anyone for anything. Maybe life has suggested to you that you can depend on others, life has not suggested that to me, at all. I'm definitely an autist, but I believe my upbringing compounded my isolation/self-reliance issues.
I don't believe anyone, except God and maybe my husband (even that can be circumstantial) will be there for me.
What I foresee is that nothing, even the most basic of human needs will be provided. When I plan for the future, I plan that no needs will be met by anyone but me. So, I do foresee every contingency, in that I see I need to meet every need.
If I don't have a place to live, I will be homeless.
If don't possess insurance and I get sick, I will die.
If I don't have money, I won't eat.
It really is very simple, for me at least. Maybe some will say, "I pity you. That's so sad." But, how is it really sad if it's all I've known? It could be sad if I'd known another way, I guess. Maybe if Voc Rehab comes through, I'll feel differently. I've applied, but I'm not holding my breath.
I don't believe anyone, except God and maybe my husband (even that can be circumstantial) will be there for me.
What I foresee is that nothing, even the most basic of human needs will be provided. When I plan for the future, I plan that no needs will be met by anyone but me. So, I do foresee every contingency, in that I see I need to meet every need.
If I don't have a place to live, I will be homeless.
If don't possess insurance and I get sick, I will die.
If I don't have money, I won't eat.
It really is very simple, for me at least. Maybe some will say, "I pity you. That's so sad." But, how is it really sad if it's all I've known? It could be sad if I'd known another way, I guess. Maybe if Voc Rehab comes through, I'll feel differently. I've applied, but I'm not holding my breath.
I really can't even believe what I am reading here. Are you sh*****g me right now? You foresee every contingency? Every single contingency? You've never had any major problems or s**t that went wrong in spite of your prudence, foresight, and planning? There was nothing that you never thought of? You are omniscient is what you are implying.
No one has that kind of foresight and knowledge. If we did we would be gods or God in the Holy Bible.
Why does the Bible say all this about the poor?
https://www.worldvision.org/christian-f ... ut-poverty
https://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseactio ... verses.htm
It seems like the Bible has different things to say about the rich vs poor then what conservatives have to say.
Even the Bible says the rich are obligated to help the poor and do right by them and others are obligated to do right by the needy.
Another thing, our society claims to be a Christian society. This is to Ezra as well. How can we be a Christian society if our society worship money and money is our god?
I don't need to see every contingency if experience has taught me that help will not be there. My most basic needs were met as a child. I was given a bottle, my diaper was changed. But tears were not dried, comfort was not given. I cannot remember the bottle/diapers, but I'm alive and did not die of a flesh eating bacteria, so I have no choice but to assume those needs were met. I can remember learning early on that emotional needs would not be met. I self soothed. I would say that my ASD was compounded by the absence of emotional support.
When the s**t hits the fan and it always does, it's not necessary to know what said s**t is. It does not occur to me to ask for help, except from God. The help I have recently asked for through Voc Rehab was a suggestion I am grateful for, but do not expect anything to come of it.
I give to the less fortunate all the time. Just because I don't have the knee-jerk reaction to reach out doesn't mean that I can't understand how $5 to a person who has nothing might not be of some benefit to them. I do realize that if you have nothing and you want something, you need money. So, I give them some money.
Other than what I've written above, I'm not sure how I can better answer your question.
I'm sorry that you had such heartlessly terrible parents. No one should have to go unloved as a small child.
Thank you. One was mentally ill, the other was gone. You get what you get.... I had a wise friend once say, "sometimes God gives the parent to the child and sometimes he gives the child to the parent." That helped me. He didn't give them to me, he gave me to them. And although small, I have made a difference in their lives.
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Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I hate you, it just means we disagree.
Neurocognitive exam in May 2019, diagnosed with ASD, Asperger's type in June 2019.
11 Sep 2019, 10:13 pm
Persephone29 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
In reading the last few posts, I'm just stunned that anyone feels they can depend on anyone for anything. Maybe life has suggested to you that you can depend on others, life has not suggested that to me, at all. I'm definitely an autist, but I believe my upbringing compounded my isolation/self-reliance issues.
I don't believe anyone, except God and maybe my husband (even that can be circumstantial) will be there for me.
What I foresee is that nothing, even the most basic of human needs will be provided. When I plan for the future, I plan that no needs will be met by anyone but me. So, I do foresee every contingency, in that I see I need to meet every need.
If I don't have a place to live, I will be homeless.
If don't possess insurance and I get sick, I will die.
If I don't have money, I won't eat.
It really is very simple, for me at least. Maybe some will say, "I pity you. That's so sad." But, how is it really sad if it's all I've known? It could be sad if I'd known another way, I guess. Maybe if Voc Rehab comes through, I'll feel differently. I've applied, but I'm not holding my breath.
I don't believe anyone, except God and maybe my husband (even that can be circumstantial) will be there for me.
What I foresee is that nothing, even the most basic of human needs will be provided. When I plan for the future, I plan that no needs will be met by anyone but me. So, I do foresee every contingency, in that I see I need to meet every need.
If I don't have a place to live, I will be homeless.
If don't possess insurance and I get sick, I will die.
If I don't have money, I won't eat.
It really is very simple, for me at least. Maybe some will say, "I pity you. That's so sad." But, how is it really sad if it's all I've known? It could be sad if I'd known another way, I guess. Maybe if Voc Rehab comes through, I'll feel differently. I've applied, but I'm not holding my breath.
I really can't even believe what I am reading here. Are you sh*****g me right now? You foresee every contingency? Every single contingency? You've never had any major problems or s**t that went wrong in spite of your prudence, foresight, and planning? There was nothing that you never thought of? You are omniscient is what you are implying.
No one has that kind of foresight and knowledge. If we did we would be gods or God in the Holy Bible.
Why does the Bible say all this about the poor?
https://www.worldvision.org/christian-f ... ut-poverty
https://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseactio ... verses.htm
It seems like the Bible has different things to say about the rich vs poor then what conservatives have to say.
Even the Bible says the rich are obligated to help the poor and do right by them and others are obligated to do right by the needy.
Another thing, our society claims to be a Christian society. This is to Ezra as well. How can we be a Christian society if our society worship money and money is our god?
I don't need to see every contingency if experience has taught me that help will not be there. My most basic needs were met as a child. I was given a bottle, my diaper was changed. But tears were not dried, comfort was not given. I cannot remember the bottle/diapers, but I'm alive and did not die of a flesh eating bacteria, so I have no choice but to assume those needs were met. I can remember learning early on that emotional needs would not be met. I self soothed. I would say that my ASD was compounded by the absence of emotional support.
When the s**t hits the fan and it always does, it's not necessary to know what said s**t is. It does not occur to me to ask for help, except from God. The help I have recently asked for through Voc Rehab was a suggestion I am grateful for, but do not expect anything to come of it.
I give to the less fortunate all the time. Just because I don't have the knee-jerk reaction to reach out doesn't mean that I can't understand how $5 to a person who has nothing might not be of some benefit to them. I do realize that if you have nothing and you want something, you need money. So, I give them some money.
Other than what I've written above, I'm not sure how I can better answer your question.
I'm sorry that you had such heartlessly terrible parents. No one should have to go unloved as a small child.
Thank you. One was mentally ill, the other was gone. You get what you get.... I had a wise friend once say, "sometimes God gives the parent to the child and sometimes he gives the child to the parent." That helped me. He didn't give them to me, he gave me to them. And although small, I have made a difference in their lives.
I'm sorry as well.
11 Sep 2019, 10:21 pm
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
In reading the last few posts, I'm just stunned that anyone feels they can depend on anyone for anything. Maybe life has suggested to you that you can depend on others, life has not suggested that to me, at all. I'm definitely an autist, but I believe my upbringing compounded my isolation/self-reliance issues.
I don't believe anyone, except God and maybe my husband (even that can be circumstantial) will be there for me.
What I foresee is that nothing, even the most basic of human needs will be provided. When I plan for the future, I plan that no needs will be met by anyone but me. So, I do foresee every contingency, in that I see I need to meet every need.
If I don't have a place to live, I will be homeless.
If don't possess insurance and I get sick, I will die.
If I don't have money, I won't eat.
It really is very simple, for me at least. Maybe some will say, "I pity you. That's so sad." But, how is it really sad if it's all I've known? It could be sad if I'd known another way, I guess. Maybe if Voc Rehab comes through, I'll feel differently. I've applied, but I'm not holding my breath.
I don't believe anyone, except God and maybe my husband (even that can be circumstantial) will be there for me.
What I foresee is that nothing, even the most basic of human needs will be provided. When I plan for the future, I plan that no needs will be met by anyone but me. So, I do foresee every contingency, in that I see I need to meet every need.
If I don't have a place to live, I will be homeless.
If don't possess insurance and I get sick, I will die.
If I don't have money, I won't eat.
It really is very simple, for me at least. Maybe some will say, "I pity you. That's so sad." But, how is it really sad if it's all I've known? It could be sad if I'd known another way, I guess. Maybe if Voc Rehab comes through, I'll feel differently. I've applied, but I'm not holding my breath.
I really can't even believe what I am reading here. Are you sh*****g me right now? You foresee every contingency? Every single contingency? You've never had any major problems or s**t that went wrong in spite of your prudence, foresight, and planning? There was nothing that you never thought of? You are omniscient is what you are implying.
No one has that kind of foresight and knowledge. If we did we would be gods or God in the Holy Bible.
Why does the Bible say all this about the poor?
https://www.worldvision.org/christian-f ... ut-poverty
https://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseactio ... verses.htm
It seems like the Bible has different things to say about the rich vs poor then what conservatives have to say.
Even the Bible says the rich are obligated to help the poor and do right by them and others are obligated to do right by the needy.
Another thing, our society claims to be a Christian society. This is to Ezra as well. How can we be a Christian society if our society worship money and money is our god?
I don't need to see every contingency if experience has taught me that help will not be there. My most basic needs were met as a child. I was given a bottle, my diaper was changed. But tears were not dried, comfort was not given. I cannot remember the bottle/diapers, but I'm alive and did not die of a flesh eating bacteria, so I have no choice but to assume those needs were met. I can remember learning early on that emotional needs would not be met. I self soothed. I would say that my ASD was compounded by the absence of emotional support.
When the s**t hits the fan and it always does, it's not necessary to know what said s**t is. It does not occur to me to ask for help, except from God. The help I have recently asked for through Voc Rehab was a suggestion I am grateful for, but do not expect anything to come of it.
I give to the less fortunate all the time. Just because I don't have the knee-jerk reaction to reach out doesn't mean that I can't understand how $5 to a person who has nothing might not be of some benefit to them. I do realize that if you have nothing and you want something, you need money. So, I give them some money.
Other than what I've written above, I'm not sure how I can better answer your question.
I'm sorry that you had such heartlessly terrible parents. No one should have to go unloved as a small child.
Thank you. One was mentally ill, the other was gone. You get what you get.... I had a wise friend once say, "sometimes God gives the parent to the child and sometimes he gives the child to the parent." That helped me. He didn't give them to me, he gave me to them. And although small, I have made a difference in their lives.
I'm sorry as well.
Thanks, it's made me strong. But, I struggle to understand the plight of others. I go through the motions and it's gotten some better.
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11 Sep 2019, 10:33 pm
cubedemon6073 wrote:
I don't believe that everyone can be independent. I think it is naive for conservatives to think otherwise.
I agree. And I am for disability benefits. But, it seems to me that once the initial decision is made and the check is issued, the case will never be in front of another worker again. I think it's naive to believe there's actually a group of people whose job it is to oversee whether or not a disabled person is able to survive on the small amount they are given. I believe the disability checks should be larger, at minimum $2,000/mo.
I have one little granddaughter with Autism who is non-verbal. She could really benefit from some one on one help, but Medicaid stopped paying for it and her check is so low it won't cover the therapy and allow for other needs.
I believe a very specialized service that can't be found anywhere else in the whole world should be made available on a case by case basis to certain families from other countries. But the idea of every person from South America saying they need to be in the US for Dialysis, is BS.
I believe that Welfare should be a set amount, for 12-18 mos with NO increase for dummies who keep having kids.
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11 Sep 2019, 11:01 pm
Persephone29 wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
I don't believe that everyone can be independent. I think it is naive for conservatives to think otherwise.
I agree. And I am for disability benefits. But, it seems to me that once the initial decision is made and the check is issued, the case will never be in front of another worker again. I think it's naive to believe there's actually a group of people whose job it is to oversee whether or not a disabled person is able to survive on the small amount they are given. I believe the disability checks should be larger, at minimum $2,000/mo.
I have one little granddaughter with Autism who is non-verbal. She could really benefit from some one on one help, but Medicaid stopped paying for it and her check is so low it won't cover the therapy and allow for other needs.
I believe a very specialized service that can't be found anywhere else in the whole world should be made available on a case by case basis to certain families from other countries. But the idea of every person from South America saying they need to be in the US for Dialysis, is BS.
I believe that Welfare should be a set amount, for 12-18 mos with NO increase for dummies who keep having kids.
How old is she if you don't mind my asking?
And, do you all have any set plans for her right now?
11 Sep 2019, 11:23 pm
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
I don't believe that everyone can be independent. I think it is naive for conservatives to think otherwise.
I agree. And I am for disability benefits. But, it seems to me that once the initial decision is made and the check is issued, the case will never be in front of another worker again. I think it's naive to believe there's actually a group of people whose job it is to oversee whether or not a disabled person is able to survive on the small amount they are given. I believe the disability checks should be larger, at minimum $2,000/mo.
I have one little granddaughter with Autism who is non-verbal. She could really benefit from some one on one help, but Medicaid stopped paying for it and her check is so low it won't cover the therapy and allow for other needs.
I believe a very specialized service that can't be found anywhere else in the whole world should be made available on a case by case basis to certain families from other countries. But the idea of every person from South America saying they need to be in the US for Dialysis, is BS.
I believe that Welfare should be a set amount, for 12-18 mos with NO increase for dummies who keep having kids.
How old is she if you don't mind my asking?
And, do you all have any set plans for her right now?
She's six. She a twin, fraternal. Her sister does not have autism. This year she has gone to a different school from her sister, one that is supposed to give her more attention. She was able to get one week of therapy last school year, before Medicaid cut the coverage. She gets $770/mo in disability. Her dad ( who is also Aspie ) is watching online instructions to help her. He's a computer guy and is considering getting certified so he can help her 24/7. She's only just now getting the hang of potty training. But, she's a super smart kid. She's just locked in...
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12 Sep 2019, 1:08 am
Persephone29 wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
I don't believe that everyone can be independent. I think it is naive for conservatives to think otherwise.
I agree. And I am for disability benefits. But, it seems to me that once the initial decision is made and the check is issued, the case will never be in front of another worker again. I think it's naive to believe there's actually a group of people whose job it is to oversee whether or not a disabled person is able to survive on the small amount they are given. I believe the disability checks should be larger, at minimum $2,000/mo.
I have one little granddaughter with Autism who is non-verbal. She could really benefit from some one on one help, but Medicaid stopped paying for it and her check is so low it won't cover the therapy and allow for other needs.
I believe a very specialized service that can't be found anywhere else in the whole world should be made available on a case by case basis to certain families from other countries. But the idea of every person from South America saying they need to be in the US for Dialysis, is BS.
I believe that Welfare should be a set amount, for 12-18 mos with NO increase for dummies who keep having kids.
How old is she if you don't mind my asking?
And, do you all have any set plans for her right now?
She's six. She a twin, fraternal. Her sister does not have autism. This year she has gone to a different school from her sister, one that is supposed to give her more attention. She was able to get one week of therapy last school year, before Medicaid cut the coverage. She gets $770/mo in disability. Her dad ( who is also Aspie ) is watching online instructions to help her. He's a computer guy and is considering getting certified so he can help her 24/7. She's only just now getting the hang of potty training. But, she's a super smart kid. She's just locked in...
You are not going to like my response but here is my opinion. I would educate her as far as she can be educated and make her as independent as possible while accepting the harsh reality that she is more then likely not going to be hold a job and live on her own.
If this is possible....
Quite honestly I think all of the money that is used for therapy and mainstreaming and normalizing can be better spent just investing into some kind of trust fund. Even with therapy and all of this extra help the majority of us are unemployed even if we went to college.
I think he has the right idea. https://autismgadfly.blogspot.com/2009/ ... -help.html
My goal would be not for them to be employed but for your daughter to live at her own place being by her trust fund. Mainstreaming and trying to put them in competitive employment does not work for an autistic person.
12 Sep 2019, 1:26 am
Antrax wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
We have both choices and limits. Conservatives concentrate on the choices part and forget about the limits part.
The whole American philosophy of individualism, personal responsibility and self-reliance over simplifies what is complex and is only part of the greater picture of things.
Quite brilliant! this is very insightful
Conservatives may have a blind spot when it comes to personal limits, but liberals have a blind spot when it comes to societal limits.
According to the proposals of some, we can simultaneously replace our entire energy infrastructure, provide free healthcare to all, provide free college to all, take in all the refugees from countries under duress, and pay everyone in the country a higher wage.
I tend towards some type of compromise here in terms of societal limits as there are aspirational goals (which I support) for the rest of the world to transition to free healthcare/education (we Australians already have this) and improve living conditions for everyone so that people don't feel they need to flee their home country and become refugees in the first place.
12 Sep 2019, 1:43 am
cyberdad wrote:
Antrax wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
We have both choices and limits. Conservatives concentrate on the choices part and forget about the limits part.
The whole American philosophy of individualism, personal responsibility and self-reliance over simplifies what is complex and is only part of the greater picture of things.
Quite brilliant! this is very insightful
Conservatives may have a blind spot when it comes to personal limits, but liberals have a blind spot when it comes to societal limits.
According to the proposals of some, we can simultaneously replace our entire energy infrastructure, provide free healthcare to all, provide free college to all, take in all the refugees from countries under duress, and pay everyone in the country a higher wage.
I tend towards some type of compromise here in terms of societal limits as there are aspirational goals (which I support) for the rest of the world to transition to free healthcare/education (we Australians already have this) and improve living conditions for everyone so that people don't feel they need to flee their home country and become refugees in the first place.
You do it then... or Canada. Y'all have a lot more space for the kinds of numbers of people you want saved. That's just it though, people want saving and they want to be choosy about where they end up. They don't want the Arctic Circle or the Outback. For instance the people on the boats from Norway, circling around to help the refugees to Italy. I don't blame Italy! Italy should offer some gas and say "take them with you." All these places want to tell other people what they should be doing, meanwhile the refugees are coming into Italy like they're on a conveyor belt.
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